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Mom dies after 911 call treated as prank

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A 5-year-old boy called 911 to report that his mother had collapsed in their apartment, but an operator told him he should not be playing on the phone, and she died before help arrived.

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{"commentId":89380,"authorDomain":"ronaldlewis"}

How sad. A 911 dispatcher should *never* treat any call as a prank. Now, this five year old is without a mom.

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  • 23 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 1:08 AM EDT
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{"commentId":89386,"authorDomain":"driver"}

This dispatcher should be fired! No 911 call can assumed to be a prank. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution?

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  • 24 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 1:18 AM EDT
{"commentId":89411,"authorDomain":"katyggls"}

This dispatcher should be canned immediately. This poor kid. He must have been terrified. Here he was trying to get help for his mother, and not only does she not believe him, she actually threatens him with "being in trouble with the police". What an absolute ignoramous, I swear.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 2:07 AM EDT
{"commentId":89450,"authorDomain":"snookie"}

holy @!$%# what an @!$%#!!

now 10 kids are left motherless thanks to that sob :(

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  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 3:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":89454,"authorDomain":"regbarc"}

This may be the most disturbing part:

The 911 operator remains on the job amid the investigation, Tate said.
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  • 10 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 3:15 AM EDT
{"commentId":90167,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

Agreed! Especially when this woman could be facing a charge of criminally negligent manslaughter for refusing to respond (or a similar charge - it depends on Michigan's bystander laws).

If we can't trust 911 operators to help us - who can we turn to?

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  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 11:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":90193,"authorDomain":"regbarc"}

You know what gets me about this case? Police officers are almost always placed on administrative leave pending an investigation after a shooting. Even if the shooting is so clearly in the police officer's favor (which is often the case), they are still put on leave.

I don't care if this woman gets paid on her leave. She just needs to...leave. For the sake of safety, she has already shown herself as a poor judge of seriousness in the course of her duties.

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  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 12:01 AM EDT
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{"commentId":89489,"authorDomain":"KevinR"}

Sad.

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    Reply#6 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 4:12 AM EDT
    {"commentId":89544,"authorDomain":"themillerreport"}

    I hope this kid doesn't have to worry about money ever again. He'll have plenty to deal with. What a shame.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 8:13 AM EDT
    {"commentId":89581,"authorDomain":"chucks"}

    The operator should be charged with professional negligence.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 9:46 AM EDT
    {"commentId":89599,"authorDomain":"ugs"}

    can you imagine how frustrated the kid must have felt on the phone? He must have been raging and confused to hear someone whom we all aught to trust tell him to stop playing around.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 10:08 AM EDT
    {"commentId":89660,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}

    Standard procedure (at least in Alabama) is to dispatch an officer anytime someone calls 911. No matter what! We teach our kids how to dial 911 and tell them if there is emergency to call it and this is how we treat him. I just hope as that boy grows older he remembers that he did the right thing and that it was not his fault.

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    • 11 votes
    Reply#10 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 11:30 AM EDT
    {"commentId":89733,"authorDomain":"shpigford"}

    Who on earth does this person think they are to be able to judge whether someone is pranking or not?

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 1:24 PM EDT
    {"commentId":89748,"authorDomain":"paradiso108"}

    Members of the military are held to more strict standards of conduct, right? The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). I think that certain civil service positions that involve being trusted with lives should imply responsibility to a certain code with penalties for violations like this egregious one.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#12 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
    {"commentId":89930,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

    That would only make people less likely to apply for those positions.

    The UCMJ is a completely different standard of law, and was designed in part to cover situations that do not occur (or would not be considered illegal) in civilian life.

    There are existing policies and procedures in civilian law that cover situations like this, without the need to penalize thousands of law enforcement agents who are otherwise doing their jobs properly because of the actions of one.

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      #12.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 5:23 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":89765,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      That's interesting...

      I was under the impression that even if you call 911 and say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to deal 911" that they were obligated to dispatch a Police Officer to the location where the call originated. (I've done this on more than one occasion at work.

      If the facts are as simple as the article makes them out to be, this would should be fired... at the very least.

      Still, it could be that there was a history of prank calls from this house? Even so, it seems like procedure should mandate that the situation be checked out and that the caller be fined... rather than not doing anything at all.

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      • 3 votes
      Reply#13 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 1:57 PM EDT
      {"commentId":89933,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

      In my office (and I'm sure many similar phone systems) you have to dial a "9" to get an outside line, and then a "1" if you are dialing long distance. If you fat finger a call and add another "1", even if you hang up right after, you get to wait at the front door of the building so you can explain to the patrol officer who will show up in a few minutes that it was a mistaken call and there is no emergency.

      The only exception I am aware of is if there are too many other emergency situations going on to easily dispatch the local police to every 911 call that is not reporting an emergency itself. And they still try to follow up on those when they can.

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      • 2 votes
      #13.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 5:29 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":89778,"authorDomain":"briancollette"}

      Come on, it's un-logical to say a 5 year old pranks 911? and even then she should have sent out for some kind of help.

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        Reply#14 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 2:13 PM EDT
        {"commentId":89785,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        Um, yeah... which is why I said:

        "If" the facts are as simple etc....

        and:

        "Even so, it seems like procedure should mandate that the situation be checked out and that the caller be fined... rather than not doing anything at all."

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        • 1 vote
        #14.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 2:22 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":89794,"authorDomain":"lankafool"}

        Wow, that's so awful.

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          Reply#15 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 2:31 PM EDT
          {"commentId":89821,"authorDomain":"Juda"}

          I hope that the operator has this on his (or her) conscience for the rest of his (or her) life.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#16 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 2:55 PM EDT
          {"commentId":89882,"authorDomain":"apollo"}

          I find the whole thing just sad, there's even been a case where a cat got caught in the phone cord and they sent someone out to the house to check things out, why they didn't send someone out right away is beyond me.

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            Reply#17 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 4:08 PM EDT
            {"commentId":89899,"authorDomain":"intensify"}

            I think the first instinct is to blame the dispatcher (and don't get me wrong; I too find it appalling that she was not immediately relieved of her position).

            However, giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she did not just dismiss his call because that is something she does regularly, she probably did so because people HAVE prank-called 911 in the past. It's the whole boy-who-cried-wolf thing. And that's what really tragic about this whole thing - that there are people out there who take advantage of a system where credibility is so important.

            This kid has a rough future ahead of him. He was probably taught in school or by some adult about calling 911 in case of an emergency, and look what it got him. I won't be surprised if he has serious trust issues, or problems with authority in general.

            It also struck me that he made not one, but TWO phone calls. He did everything right, and he was totally screwed over. And, according to the article, the police arrived three hours later, meaning he was probably just sitting there with his unconscious or deceased mother for three hours.

            Tragic.

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            • 2 votes
            Reply#18 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 4:34 PM EDT
            {"commentId":90418,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
            It's the whole boy-who-cried-wolf thing.

            Yes, but with 911 all calls should be assumed real and an officer should be sent. It's kind of like the old saying "Assume all guns are loaded." If someone breaks into your house, you call 911 and then the burglar walks into the room you may appear to sound strange on the phone. Almost like it is a prank. You just can't take chances.

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              #18.1 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 9:45 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":89925,"authorDomain":"mikec"}

              i know in the town i reside in police must go to all 9-1-1 calls.

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                Reply#19 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 5:15 PM EDT
                {"commentId":89951,"authorDomain":"kylerove"}

                I'm not aware of the law in this regard but to me, this borders on criminal. The DA should be investigating.

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                • 6 votes
                Reply#20 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 5:52 PM EDT
                {"commentId":90079,"authorDomain":"train"}

                I agree. This should be treated as negligent homicide.

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                • 1 vote
                #20.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 9:22 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":90054,"authorDomain":"royeyk"}

                Something like this almost happened to me. I fell about 15 feet from the attic of my garage. I wasn't KO-ed, nobody came when I called "Help", so I gathered up my broken arm, managed to stand, walked in the house and asked my daughter, who was 10, to call 911. The operator seemed to reject my daughter as too young, then me because I sounded odd but my daughter phoned my wife and she convinced 911 to send an ambulance. I was pretty banged up but nothing likely to have killed me but I didn't know what was wrong with me, was in shock and it was hard to talk. The part before I realized I couldn't breathe because I was winded wasn't as scary as wondering if I could drive to the hospital with one arm and legs that weren't working very well (no 911 OK, no ambulance here).

                You'd think a frightened girl and a guy gasping about having fallen would be fairly compelling.

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                • 7 votes
                Reply#21 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 8:44 PM EDT
                {"commentId":90133,"authorDomain":"doctorlambert"}

                I think a someone should be dispatched to every single 911 call. If it turns out to be a prank, or a child playing with the phone, then their should be HUGE penalties and fines. It might take the pressure off those operators who are overworked, underpaid, and constantly bothered by stupid people.

                My mother-in-law is a 911 operator, she had one lady call to see if she could send a police officer to get her daughter out of bed because she was refusing to go to school!!! Absurd! People need to get some common sense.

                Still, this particular case is disheartening and even frightening. I feel for everyone involved.

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                • 1 vote
                Reply#22 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 10:20 PM EDT
                {"commentId":90188,"authorDomain":"jessjessep"}

                This is a disgusting example of a person too jaded with their position to care about the human face of their job.

                In Australia we have 000 as en equivalent to the American 911, and unfortunately to save money in recent years there has been a consolidation of operator services to one (1) national centre for all calls between 2100 and 0700 each day. This has resulted in ambulance's being sent to a street address in a suburb in the WRONG state (ie: 60 Washington Avenue, Sharon, Kansas instead of 60 Washington Avenue, Sharon, Connecticut). Over the past 18 months this has lead to 2 deaths of people while waiting for medical aide

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                • 3 votes
                Reply#23 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 11:49 PM EDT
                {"commentId":90196,"authorDomain":"hai2u"}

                Wow, thats very disturbing. Knowing s/he is still on the job.

                Also remember they are in Detroit.

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                  Reply#24 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 12:05 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":90197,"authorDomain":"ronaldlewis"}

                  How is Detroit relevant to this story?

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                  • 1 vote
                  #24.1 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 12:07 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":95558,"authorDomain":"akka"}

                  Detroit is relevant because not that long ago, another woman called 911 telling them that her husband had shot her in the head. Her call was ignored because the operator didn't believe that someone who was shot in the head could survive, and she was asked to put her husband on the phone. Finally, once the ambulance arrived, the woman was found to be paralyzed.

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                    #24.2 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:07 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":98171,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

                    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002925571_call12.html

                    I cannot comment on the relevance of both cases being in Detroit, but the callers in both cases are being represented by the same Attorney.

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                      #24.3 - Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:37 PM EDT
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