Palin attacks media over 'very scary' reporting

Ms. Palin is NOT qualified to lead this nation in any way, shape or form. Completely inexperienced she tries to pass an air of a qualified professional politician boiling down to nothing more than an attempt at lying to people of what she is not. Associating herself with a pitbull clearly projects her image to the rest of the World as being another bush that would shoot first and ask later. The fact that she would put lipstick on the poor creature indicates that she would allienate even the pitbull. Her poor attempts at manipulating the press, what the press would report to the World, and then crying foul when the image does not get projected as she wanted is yet another indication of how she works. Instead of working on what her state requires, instead of an honest days work, she would rather count her successes with positive image exposure by the press. Truly a sad person not worthy of representing the people of Alaska and even less the pitbull.  

"On his Web site, Ziegler says that when Palin saw a picture of MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, "she literally let out a shriek and, pointing to his photograph, declared, 'THAT guy is EVIL!' "

Maybe her witch hunting friend can kill 2 birds with one stone by exorcising "That Guy" and "That One" at the same time!

 The main paragraph in the article was,   "Palin did her venting Monday with John Ziegler, a conservative radio talk show host turned filmmaker, who posted excerpts on line to promote the sale of a forthcoming DVD titled "Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected".  This is a money move to sale a DVD.  Was Palin paid for her comments?

  Anytime you read where something is for sale it is not news it is a promotion.  If this was a free documentary it may be news and worth reading but it is not.  This is simply people trying to make money off of a situation that we all saw first hand.  Was she treated fairly by the Media?  Depends on your point of view.  But her being a part of a sales promotion is simply that, sales.  You have to ask what was her payoff on this sales job interview?

   The Republicans had two choices after they lost in the last election so bad.They could have taken the high road and looked at their shortcomings and corrected them and by doing so attracted some of those voters who deserted them or they could do the blame game. Blame the media. We are right and only if the media had got our message out we would have won.

  This is a pipe dream. It is also full of lies. They lost because of what they said and did. People are tired of gutter politics where you do not come out and explain yourself but choose to smear your opponent. This is not going on with just Ms Palin who I am now feeling very sorry for because she seems to have swallowed that line.

      She forgot that there are still people who think Obama is a muslim. That he was not born in the US and many other smears perpetrated by the right. In fact the rumor about her child was started in of all place Alaska because it was a rumor up there before she was ever nominated. Personally it had no effect on me or anyone else who I have talked to. They (the GOP) kept it going by blogging it to death for the sympathy vote in their effort to make her look like Joan of Arc or some other high profile woman who has been wrong.

     This latest garbage put out about by some right wing blogger is just as bad as her campaign. No substance just hate filled rhetoric and sour grapes as she continues down the slippery slope of denial. Once again being used by the GOP to get attention. Thats why I feel sorry for her. If she is not intellegent enough to see she is being used over and over by diabolical politicians in her own party she may never wake up.

  She did abuse her power as Gov.  about the trooper case...

liberal haters.  you just can't face the facts and live in the world of herr uberstumfuhrer keith ubermann and his little boy dog rachel maddCOW.  you liberals are so afraid of her!

You know the old saying, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".  Every time Sarah Palin is out of the news for more than five minutes, she gets in touch with the media she claims to hate because her ego won't let her slide into anonymity.

Caroline Kennedy has been scrutinized and her "you know" interview showed over and over.  What makes Sarah Palin think that she has gotten a free pass?  The only difference is, she's not whining about it. 

LOL like obama is qualified to lead.. What has obama done that you can show that proves he is qualified?  When did she call obama a muslim?  She abused her power in trooper gate? The guy said she did not put any pressure on him and it was proved even by the idiot woman in Alaska who started the effort to dirty her. The problem is voters mostly democrats are into what can the government do for them.. Instead of what can I do to take a burden off the government. This government led by the leftist wants to care for you from cradle to grave and allot of Americans want to get a bailout and to be taken care of by the government because Americans have become lazy and pathetic.

 LOL like obama is qualified to lead 

Apparently the country thinks he is qualified, and will run this country so get used to it.

Oh yeah, and this article is about Palin, not Obama, so try to stay on topic.

If Sweet Sarah wanted to get into politics she should have studied some political science and psychology. He whining and phony fear is an indication of a really sick and manipulative person.

The only class she'd better be concerned with is the grace and humility she should have shown as a looser. (second class at that) A polar bear has more class when they raid a garbage dump and try their best to survive. She reminds me of the PTA mom who complains all the time but won't allow anyone to offer a suggestion.

There's absolutely no way I'd want her representing us in government. There is great danger in her need to manipulate with lies and deceit.

you liberals just don't give up!  why are you scared?  you liberals have such low self-esteem and low confidence that you have to continue your smear campaign.  keep it coming!  it makes for great fodder as we spread your vulgarity and lies.  you did the same to reagan in 1976.  keep it up!  it is good for sarah!

I hadn't accessed Newsvine for a couple of months as it was becoming the same old, same old information from McCain/Palin supporters spewing sour grapes and refusing to move on. 

Here we are two months later and they're still screaming "you liberals" to anyone who didn't vote for McCain, and "why are you scared", and "it is good for Sarah".  Here's a newsflash.  Obama is our incoming President, like it or not.  And Sarah Palin, despite her push to be in the center of the spotlight, will eventually fade into obscurity in the political arena.  Most people know there are more important things to discuss with regard to the current state of the economy etc. than to worry about whether or not Sarah Palin thinks she was picked on.  Her persistence in getting her face in the media is not good for Sarah, it just makes her look like an egomaniac who is a sore loser.  She would gain more respect if she would have taken her licks and gone back home to focus on her current job, rather than calling People magazine and any other media source that will listen to her.  I personally could care less about what she does, I liken her to a pesky little fly that just won't go away.  There are more important things to talk about.

CINESIMON - Brilliant point!!! I was going to say my peace too, but after reading yours - there is nothing more to say!! KUDOS!!

Maybe Gov. Palin should borrow one of her son's or grandbaby's "PACIFIERS" and take a nap!! Could you imagine that this woman could have been our Vice President?? How scary is that? If she whines for the media here in America, what do you think she would do if the Foreign leaders come at her? As we all know, Foreign leaders see women as "second" class citizens behind the men in their country, SO, she better get some backbone and shut up!!!!

cinesimon

I see a lot of accusations but no examples in your post. reading the comments,it seems everyone just wants more of the same old politics. Party doesn't matter , you must be in the middle of the road or the media will crucify you. Business operates on thinking outside the box.

So, insted of her we have Mr. Biden. I am still looking for that clip of when "FDR got on T.V. and..........."

Know what I mean?

Interesting point she made...............had she been Obamas running mate, the media would have  treated  her like the belle of the ball.

Anyone (except Hillary) who disagrees with that is a blind fool.

If you can turn Biden into a worthy VP, and moreover, Obama a worthy POTUS, you could turn O.J. into a priest..............with the right media bullying.

Congratulations to the President-select!

Mister Richards, they're not accusations, they're observations. It seems a few people agree with my observations.

This is a website called Newsvine, and here we discuss our opinions from time to time.

So to be clear..... Sarah Palin believes in the old adage: "you gonna believe me or them lyin ears" ... wink wink.....

I believe she is burying herself further and further and proving again why she was the single largest reason McCain could not win.

Also - Caroline Kennedy is not "running" for any election - she is being considered by a governor for appointment to a seat - just like in Illinois and Deleware - appointment - when and if she is running for election and you feel that "class" is an issue in her treatment - let us all know then - because until then - the media is just reporting her background - not her campaigning!

I have news for you Mrs Palin ... some of us actually make up our own minds and do not think the "media" controls our very thoughts and opinions - and decided we did not want Jane Six Pack as our "possible" President - "winky winky .. dontcha know"... in politics, most of this country wants someone to lead us that perhaps is smarter than we are ... and you just didn't measure up... 

You protest way to much - everyone's fault but yours? Had 8 years of that mentality and found it to be very lacking! Stop blaming McCain's campaign for your own failings - it WAS you talking .. not them!

This is absolutely priceless!  She complains that the media was not fair to her, perpetuated lies, etc.  Well, DUH... what exactly did she think she did to Obama during the campaign every chance she got?  She spouted nothing but rhetoric at rallies.

The media is more sympathetic to Caroline Kennedy?  Maybe, I can go back and forth on this one.  The HUGE difference here is that Kennedy is not a loose cannon who digs herself a hole and then whines when someone pushes her into it. 

Katie Couric needs to get over herself?  Lordy, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is... Palin put herself in this position.. be quiet, stay in Alaska and leave the lower 48 alone...

Two words for Sarah Palin.

Grow Up.

I don't think Palin was "running" for VP, Bob.

She too was to be "appointed".

So you can take that part of your comment and trash it.

Wanda... You do know you lost don't you? Your comments and type of rhetoric is why my neighbors - who never voted a democrat in their lives (in their late 70's) voted for Obama . This constant innuendo - basis in nature - just truly pointed out that John McCain had no real "I know how to fix that" nor " a plan" ... if so, we would really have heard from people on issues ... not hatred.

CLint - really - She is not apponted... the campaign and election and vote is for McCain/Palin .. not McCain and appointee... learn your heritage sir.. she was part of the "vote" and she also was next in line to be President... the only appointed Pres I know of was Gerald Ford.. all others seem to have been elected if and when the sitting President died in office ...  hemce why they have a campaign for Pres/VP and a vote as such...

I think Sarah Palin was treated wonderfully by the media, in general.

Hillary was pretty much crucified by MSNBC, particulary by Keith Olberman during 2008.

Bush has pretty much been crucified by many media outlets during the past few years.

The Clintons have been crucified by Rush Limbaugh for going on 20 years now.

In comparison, Palin got off easy.

Wanda Murline, spin it however you like but bottom line is that Palin, although a very nice person no doubt, is a marginal government administrator. Her educational background in sparse at best. Her interviews consistently demonstrated she had no idea what goes on in the world outside of Alaska. (she didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was, which is pretty fundamental I think). Her touted opposition to the "bridge to nowhere" was pretty much a lie, and she took the money anyway.

Obama's intelligence and educational background is demonstrably better that 99% of the population. His is a resume of achievement and leadership. He took the best shots from all comers, both democrat and republican (imagine Palin surviving 2 years of campaigning, she couldn't survive 2 months), His is a voice that is articulate and visionary, whether or not you agree with what he says. He doesn't wink at the cameras or say "you bethcha".

I hate to accuse someone of being stupid, but to compare Palin and Obama is stupid.

Wanda M......The difference between Palin and Kennedy?  Education, intellegence, CLASS, integrity, poise, good taste, need I go on????  Palin in a hick compared to Kennedy.  And if she didn't want the media making observations about her unwed teenage daughter, she should have thought about her family first rather than her career.  Maybe in time, we can forget this last election even happened and that she was introduced to the lower 48, oh well such is life!

Bob, that is very true, only someone like a Kennedy can be appointed to a senate seat, no experience necessary.  You have to love the fact that Caroline won't run to earn the seat, but would like it to be given to her......typical democrat, always looking for the handout.

egbay1,  it's the same process for both parties in that situation.

cinesimon, true, but she has said she won't run for the seat, will take it only if it is handed to her.  NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL!    It is a joke on the American people!  It is a payoff, plan and simple and extemely apparent.

(she didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was, which is pretty fundamental I think)

MRT,

Thanks for your posting...I was wondering if you, or others, could cite the "Obama doctrine" or the "Kennedy doctrine"? Any references or citations would really be great here. I've done searches and don't find anything other than vagaries and references to Palin when the "Bush doctrine" is queried. Hmmm...could it be there is no such thing and that it's a vague/poor question? Bottom line...there is no "Bush doctrine". There are stances and policies over many different issues that get the label "doctrine", but to simply ask "What is THE Bush Doctrine" is an ignorant and poor question. Palin has answered this many times in exactly the same manner and many other commentators have made the same assertion.

If I may...it would be far simpler for posters to simply say "I hate Palin 'cause." then to use the silly reasons posted on this discussion. "She's inexperienced!" Wow...that's just plain DUMB when compared to dumBHO, Kennedy and the latest pinnacle of political experience Franken.

I' ll agree with the one poster in that Palin didn't get treated a lot worse than many other candidates on a personal level, but coming after her kids with lies is absolutely sick!

Now if you compare her treatment to obama's, obama had a cake walk. Keith Olbamaman, Rachel madcow, and Chris (barack gives me a hardon) Matthews were totally in the tank for bho.

We still know very little about Barack's days in the Illinois senate and working for REzko in order to get property below market value, but we learned everything about the Wasilla City Council, and the fact that Palin wanted to relieve some state trooper of his duties. The guy was a complete jerk. He'd used a taser on his own kid. He had no business being a state trooper.

For those of you complaining about Caroline Kennedy...she has NOT been appointed to anything and it does not look like she is going to be. I don't know what Palin is talking about, up here in NY the press has NOT treated CK kindly.  She has made a number of gaffes, as SP did, and they have been well reported

Good GOD please keep throwing cameras in front of this woman. She is a dream come true. Can't wait to see what John Stewart does with this one.

Sarah Palin why, OH WHY, can't I quit you?!

Why do the public hate Mrs.Palin so much?! it is so incredibly sad how the media assasinated her, and just because shei is a Republican Conservative woman?!

What is so wrong with that,no one attacks immoral,evil people,but if it's someone who is not ashamed of her beliefs and someone good and smart and descent she gets attacked?!!

God Bless Sarah Palin and Mrs.Kennedy!!

I guess you have to have a repulsive appearance to be accepted as a viable candidate in this country.   

Asked by Ziegler how she would have fared as Barack Obama's running mate, Palin accused the press of ideological "hypocrisy," saying: "I think they would have loved me as a candidate. . . . You would have seen an absolutely different and . . . much prettier profile of Sarah Palin and the Palin family and my administration."

Stupid Sarah, we would not have voted for you for any reason. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. We would never vote for someone so inexperienced, from ANY party, even if your politics were the same as ours. As to your current political views, lets just say you are a MORON. After 8 years of a 'drunkin cowboy' we do not want a Wasilla hillbilly.

Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.................

M. White, you DID vote for someone inexperienced!  This is the first tine it feels like a high school boy got voted in as president.  And one with lots of ACNE in terms of embarassing spots like Wright, Blago, Rezko, ...........need I go on.  Ha ha ha.

You liberals spew hatred!  RELAX, your guy is in.  Now we can relax and have FUN for the next four.  It's already begum.  Hello Mr. Richardson.  Oh, and on the subject of Caroline Kennedy, um..yeah...um, er, um................nuf said!

Now if you compare her treatment to obama's, obama had a cake walk. Keith Olbamaman, Rachel madcow, and Chris (barack gives me a hardon) Matthews were totally in the tank for bho.

ROFLMAO .. of course they were... and Hanity, Rush and the likes of (shudder) Coulter we know were NOT in  a cake walk about McCain ... geez... being surprised at MSNBC commentators is kinda like being surprised that FOX is not fair and balanced!

Clint - give it up .. name calling on facts? ... the VP pick is appointed to RUN for office with the Pres, after being confirmed at the convention. They are not appointed to be VP after an election is complete.. if you don't think that people vote for (primarily) Pres and (secopndarily) VP and that the selection of the wrong VP "candidate" (check it out - that is what they are called) can kill a campaign.. well then you are just out there in lala land with Palin ...  so write your names (calling me a bonehead - well at least I thank you for having the class to make it clean) - but I will stick to facts!

BOO HOO, Poor Sara.

Didn't Ann Coulter just say single mothers are the cause of all of America's social ills?

I want to see Ann Coulter/Sarah Palin on TNA Impact!!!

Incidentally, did Sarah ever take that spot TNA wrestling offered her in December?

Capt, in response to post 1.33:

I was wondering if you, or others, could cite the "Obama doctrine" or the "Kennedy doctrine"? Any references or citations would really be great here. I've done searches and don't find anything other than vagaries and references to Palin when the "Bush doctrine" is queried.

Er.  Google.  First response.

The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to aggressively secure itself from countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups, which was used to justify the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

That's Bush's doctrine.  Been around for awhile, now, been public for awhile, now. For someone running for an office which required at least a basic amount of knowledge on foreign policy, I'd say that just MIGHT be important to be at least familiar with, wouldn't you?  It's shaped foreign policy over the last eight years, after all...

Obama and Kennedy don't have doctrines, which is why you can't find 'em.

That help?

Palin  does love the lime light she got a taste of it and her ego just can't let go.....People either love her or don't but either way people listen  when she appears in the news because so many of us find her entertaining!  And who doesn't need a good laugh these days. 

She can play the blame game with the media the dems or whomever she chooses to at the time but in reality she is responsible for her on demise.  Do not even want to get into all the mistakes that she made as there are too many to name and we all know what they were.    However, if she was serious & had ambitions about coming onto the national political stage she certainly did not come prepared. In many peoples mind she was a "very scary" as well as a poor choice on the Republican ticket.  

Someone also needs to inform her that the damage has been done on her credibilty as a future national candidate. First impressions are always so important and she did not take the appearance of stepping onto that stage very seriously.  It was her own mouth,  demenaor and lack of knowledge that caused her problems.  If she thought she could get by with her looks and slamming Obama well guess it didn't work. Sooo there is just one more comment I would like to make and that is "Sarah you are not the center of everyone's universe".

"...She is incredibly inexperienced, and laughably naive." And Obama isn't?  He has gone around for the last month spouting off about his stimulus package and the media has been wagging it's tail about it.  Then, you read today that CONGRESS (I capitalize it because it's all of congress, Dems and Reps), are laying into it, saying it's wrong, no good, won't work, doesn't address the needs of this particular group, etc. etc. etc. 

Sounds like Palin isn't the only inexperienced, naive fool to run for office!

And it looks more and more like we're going to get "four more years" whether we like it or not!

The rich are "fixing" the problem for us middle class again.  That's wrong, they don't know what they're doing.  There have been voolumes written on these web-sites by middle-class Americans on how to solve the problems, but it never gets to the eyes and ears of those who can implement them.

I've written to my Congressman, and I got a reply to my e-mail faster than he could have opened it, thanking me for my feedback. I blasted him and his colleagues, and he thanked me. Sounds like he hears the heartbeat of his constituents!  I haven't heard a word from him since then. I'll write again, but it's like pissing into the wind, you just get it back in your face, only it's colder!

Does anyone know if the trial for Sarah Palin's grandbaby-daddy-momma's drug charges is going to be televised?

I'm taking a Leave of Absence to watch if it is. WAIT! That's in Alaska! It'll be in prime time in the eastern time zone! WOOHOO!!!

I think that you all are blind!!  The media is very sad as well.  This just shows how sexest this society is!!!!  If someone was attacking my family I would do the same thing.  She is not playing a victim at all.  She is fed up with the media and I say it is about time people attack the people that make their money making up stories about other people.  Who are they to judge?  Matt Lauer was very wrong in what he said and he is very unprofessional.  I say go Sarah Palin we need more people like you in our Government people who will stand up and make thier voice heard!!!!!!!

I'm with mom.

Give Sarah her own reality show!

Rainkiss,

..err, did you read it (wikipedia)? There is no "Bush doctrine", it's a phrase. It's a silly question and a silly response. The question is a generalization without any specificity and is telling of couric's ability.

You who attack Palin delight many. You fear her, her values, her acceptance by so many. The cruelty used in going after her family, the blatant search for mud up in Alaska, the nasty, petty unfairness of what was written about the Palins is, if you claim any connection to Christianity, is sinful. At worst, she was then a hick politician that has a different view of life, but your real reason was to eliminate any logical comparisons between the candidates.

What's the difference between Palin and Caroline? Caroline is a Kennedy, a New Yorker, a surogate beltway insider, a friend of Newsweek, NYT, MSNBC et cetra. To many of us, these are negatives, reasons to oppose her. You all fear Palin, you continue to tear at her, but guess what? She's in it for the long haul. She's not going away. See you in four years.

Does anyone remember the show on PBS where they'd put a bunch of former and current politicians, Washington insiders, and media professionals in a room and some big shot professor from Harvard would run them through a hypothetical situation? Each of the Washington people would play a role from President to AG to Treasury Sec, on and on and on. And the press people would show exactly how they'd reveal the news to the public and what opportunities they'd give the Washington insiders to reveal more or suppress confidential things. Anyway, the hypothetical situation would be something serious and pertinent to the time. The most recent one I saw concerned a terrorist threat.

If anyone knows the name of that program, I'd love to hear it. But, back to the way it relates to Sarah Palin. For those of you who have watched this, could you imagine Sarah Palin sitting in one of those seats?

Cinesimon,

Sarah Palin's media problem are obvious: she's incredibly inexperienced, and laughably naive.

So is Obama!

she doesn't want people in the "Lower 48" being "sucked into believing what too many in the mainstream media want them to believe."

Except, of course, if it is coming from Rush Limbaugh's or Sean Hannity's mouths, or the Fake Noise Network!

SE7EN,

I have nothing to offer on topic, so you can collapse this comment too.

I read the first 10 comments, page 1, and the two who spoke in favor of the republicans and Palin were collapsed.

Very balanced and fair.......... and ridiculous.  We're not Americans anymore.  We're democrats, republicans and a few libertarians here and there.  And this is what it has come to.  You will not be able to state your opinion if the person, or people in control, don't want to hear it.  Say goodnight Gracie.

ALDO - You represent everything we love about Republinazi's.

Now go back under your rock.

This Liberals vs. Conservative politics/media/beliefs are the only thing Palin has going for her.  As long as she can play the liberals-hate-me-card the conservatives will flock behind her to defend her.  The overall problem with that strategy is that you can estimate that 25% of this country is true liberals and 25% is true conservatives.  That leaves the 50% in the middle that tend to follow a little of both ideologies and they have recognized the the divisiveness of this kind of media ranting is hurting this country.  The best thing Palin can do now for the RNC is to back off and stop being a national public figure.  Many of us are tired of being divided by hate talk and prefer to hear ideas to move forward.   

cinesimon

There are many successful female politicians, few are so obviously ignorant and attention seeking as she is

Attention seeking? Really now? It's the other way around actually; the attention sought her, as is evident by the 766 comments on this article.

PLEASE let this woman fade into obscurity....Palin is nothing like Caroline Kennedy because Kennedy can form actual sentences.

Hey Mom 804  I too am a mother therefore I do understand proctecting and defending your child absolutely!  Com'on that's our job but keep in mind this woman came out of nowhere we knew nothing about her when she came into the public eye wth noticable baggage when walking onto the stage and one of them being her pregnant 17 year old daughter. 

Now hey this can happen to anyone or anyone's child but this looked so bad (wrong message) and out of the normal for Americans to see this girl paraded across the stage most of us were left scratching our heads...... Keep in mind Palin is a grown woman who is in the public eye and has experience with the local media in Alaska already invovled with a scandal called Troopergate.  She was well aware at what they can and will do with a story.  She choose to take a risk and go for it anyway putting this poor girl in the public eye. Do you feel she had Bristol's best interest at heart or was she putting her own desires first? This girl is 17 more than likely embarressed to be in the situation that she was in don't you think? And more than likely did not want any attention drawn to her you could see that on her face.

Once again because Palin was an unknown and was not allowed to talk with reporters(we found out why later) or anyone in the public so spun the web of curosity & people  trying & needing to know who she is...... It would have been so much better for her if she came out from the get go and talk freely but as we found out she doesn't have the right stuff to be VP.  Actually it would have been better just to wait for another opportunity when her personal life was in better shape as well as educating herself on national and international politics.

"The Constitution: That Delicate Balance" This is the show! I wrote in 1.55 Sarah would be an absolute HOOT on that show. Anyway, that's all I have for Sarah for now.

She is a dream come true. Please Sarah, PLEASE keep jumping in front of microphones. Whether you're slaughtering turkeys or designing Levi's mom's meth lab, you are exactly what we need on TV to get us through this recession.

Sarah Palin is a disgrace.

She forgets Caroline has more class and character in her left foot than Palin has in her entire being.

Blame the media, blame the liberals, blame the Palestinians (after all Hamas supports Obama if you believe news reports), and yes before we forget blame those Islamist links that the media would expose during the campaign, the FACT still remains Obama/Biden won fair/square and hands down.

Folks get used to it, times have changed, the days of the KKK and right wing bigots is coming to an end and fast.

The class and dignity with which the Afro American community accepted and celebrated Obama's win was exemplary.

Wanda Murline

So you think a governor who has multiple duties with millions of budget monies to contend with is not as experienced as the president elect who was a community organizer (which should be a great job since you can afford a million dollar house ) and senator for less than a year when he began his march for president.  I can see that the news media has completely done a good job of repressing the truth here and brain washing you.  The media was afraid of Sarah Palin toppling their candidate because she was a breath of fresh air, people loved her...one of the regular people of America.  They gave you absolutely no background history on Obama except what he wrote in his books...he still has yet to bring forth his Hawaiian birth certificate.  The news media help  the elists that most of our "old politicians in office" are that do nothing for you or me, they go in with a modest bank roll, and come out worth millions...why do you think that is...could it be getting paid by lobbyists.  I am sure you will be glad to let Caroline Kennedy get the senate seat because "she is sooooo experienced"  in what?  Being a Kennedy?  Get a life and start seeing things the way they really are.  I hate to accuse someone of being stupid, but I think the shoe fits you and most of the Liberals who voted Democrat this last election.  You wanted change, so when you get it, keep your mouth shut, because you voted for it.

Wanda are you still wearing a tinfoil hat ?

I wonder if Levi's mom is going to be on Cops this season.

First of all, Palin made some GAFFES during the campaign and they were reported. Overall, I would say that's not unfair.

HOWEVER, Joe Biden's many gaffes and Obama's lack of experience didn't get the same media attention Sarah Palin got DESPITE the fact that many things said should have gotten more attention. The media ran this election whether we like it or not. If you don't want to admit it, fine. But many people have said it and I will continue to say it. This election was the biggest con ever. It was ran by the media and if you didn't vote Obama, you were a racist or an ultra conservative with no education. If you want to sweep under the rug the obvious bias, then you really are in denial.

Palin got the attention she deserved for her gaffes. She also had ugly rumors spread about her family (low blow) which Biden and Obama did not. She also was the only one in the campaign who's mistakes were constantly in the public eye.

Based on what I have seen with Newsviners, they have a lasting bitterness towards her long after she lost. If you can't let it go and constantly have to harp on her despite her loss, do you have insecurities you need to address within YOURSELF? Of course you'll SAY you do not, but if I believed everything people said, I certainly wouldn't be a very successful person.

The media didn't win this election. I did. Along with 69 million of my closest friends. Tens of thousands of volunteers and I worked several weekends and evenings to get this thing done. I will never accept your attempts to denigrate that effort.

I am proud of what we did. Now it's time for the losers to get on board with figuring out how to fix this economy. If that means writing your Rep, do it. If that means getting involved in an action group, do it. We need solutions, not some stupid jackazz who lost the election whining about how she was mistreated. I haven't heard the well-coiffed philanderer John Edwards crying about it.

I don't remember Barack Obama running his family out on stage at every rally. If you want your kids out of the public eye, keep them there.

tom343

You who attack Palin delight many. You fear her, her values, her acceptance by so many. The cruelty used in going after her family, the blatant search for mud up in Alaska, the nasty, petty unfairness of what was written about the Palins is, if you claim any connection to Christianity, is sinful. At worst, she was then a hick politician that has a different view of life, but your real reason was to eliminate any logical comparisons between the candidates.

What's the difference between Palin and Caroline? Caroline is a Kennedy, a New Yorker, a surogate beltway insider, a friend of Newsweek, NYT, MSNBC et cetra. To many of us, these are negatives, reasons to oppose her. You all fear Palin, you continue to tear at her, but guess what? She's in it for the long haul. She's not going away. See you in four years.

Oh please let her run, so we can see you guys lose again, and again.

 - uh exactly right! there are 50 states.  your candidate obama thinks there are 58 (plus one he didn't get to)! 

I can see Alaska from my house!

The hatred towards Palin on this Newsvine is absolutely hysterical. The point of the article is not whether she is qualified but whether she was treated fairly by the press. The indisputable fact is she was not and the media bias is further illuminated by their treatment of Caroline Kennedy. Kennedy has no experience and is about to be appointed to the senate in one of the largest and most influential states in the country and in no way is the media vetting her qualifications or more importantly smearing her like they did Palin. She is simply getting a pass in the print and television media. It's not a left vs. right issue, its a right vs. wrong issue and everything that is wrong with journalism in this country and why newspapers are bleeding money and the nightly national news ratings are in the crapper.

Roland Burris also did not get any press scrutiny before his selection. That's the thing about appointments, you only have to impress one person.

When you want to be the VP, it matters what your policy positions are. And I don't think any VP candidate should ever get by without scrutiny from the press.

You people keep saying Sarah Palin is inexperienced to be Vice President.

Why wont one of you Democrats please answer how Obama is qualified to be President?

Get of your high horses and leave Ms Palin alone.

Obama is NOT qualified to be President. Two years in the Senate. What a joke.

schwannomin,  your humor is so razor sharp....keep it up.

Barack Obama is 35 years old and a natural born citizen. That qualifies him.

I certainly never said she's too inexperienced to be president. I said she's too divisive, bigotted, and stupid to be president.

And I guess that disqualifies her from receiving my vote.

Just because it is an appointment is no reason the press should not scrutinize the appointee as well as the appointer. After all this is a democracy we live in, right? The press certainly scrutinized many if not all of the Bush appointments.

Who are the other candidates vying for the Senate seat? Can you name them? I certainly can't. That's because Kennedy is the only one receiving any national media attention.

And then you refer to Bush's appointments?! I don't remember a single one that didn't get seated in 2001. Now once Bush showed his uniquely stellar incompetence, he couldn't get Laura Bush appointed his wife without scrutiny.

You don't recall the scrutiny of his appointees or the threat of a fillibuster? Particularly his two Supreme Court Justice appointees and the scrutiny they received by the press? Really?

Well, well...

"Aggressively-submissive majority" of Sarah Palin slanderous haters gathered together in this remarkable choir to "justify" themselves, using quite a scientific-like language - "not qualified" and the like.

Wow! It seems to me you, guys are trying to wash yourselves from the dirt, you chose to be your life and political environment. You look pitiful, on my outsider's opinion. However, I am glad to recognize that she is one of the America's best daughters.

Bob

Do we elect the VP?

Or does the President CHOOSE/APPOINT his running mate?

The whole point of me questioning your logic, was to say that Palin didn't have a choice as to what was "reported" about her personal life.

Regardless of whether she's "running" or appointed, Kennedy won't suffer the onslaught of criticism Palin did, simply because of her "class".

That, my dear bonehead, is the same media-biased circus act that elected a first year community organizer to the office of POTUS.

By the way, wasn't Caroline arrested for prostitution and drug possession before she "came out of the closet"?

OOPS! I hope that doesn't accidentally make it into the next "act"!

ttt,

The hatred towards Palin on this Newsvine is absolutely hysterical. The point of the article is not whether she is qualified but whether she was treated fairly by the press. The indisputable fact is she was not and the media bias is further illuminated by their treatment of Caroline Kennedy. Kennedy has no experience and is about to be appointed to the senate in one of the largest and most influential states in the country and in no way is the media vetting her qualifications or more importantly smearing her like they did Palin. She is simply getting a pass in the print and television media. It's not a left vs. right issue, its a right vs. wrong issue and everything that is wrong with journalism in this country and why newspapers are bleeding money and the nightly national news ratings are in the crapper.

TTT, is your real name T-T-TODD by any chance? 

There may be a lot of Rushies in Alaska, after all she did get elected governor.  And I don't think they should have arrested Palin daugthers baby's daddy's momma.  It's cold up there, they need them pills!  Must be one of us insensitive liberals.

Well, I didn't vote for either party, they're both the same anyway.  I voted for REAL change.  That said, I can tell you with an unbiased eye that she really did get a raw deal in the media.  And anyone that doesn't think that the media controls a lot of people's opinions is very niave.  Also, when did reporters start using bloggers as their sources?  I saw that ALOT during election coverage.  Should bloggers be relied upon that much?

ttt:

I specifically said his appointments in 2001. Every Supreme Court justice is, and should be, thoroughly vetted and cross-examined for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. The same is true for a VP. Sarah may not like it, but, to be honest with you, she chose her career. She could have done a whole host of other things.

I don't say she's inexperienced. Nobody, other than former and current presidents, are ever experienced for the job. I said she's a divisive, simple minded bigot. That is why she's not qualified to be president, governor, or a even friend. She's an embarrassment to John McCain and this country.

Here we go AGAIN...  WHEN will we stop seeing AND hearing this woman whine and complain.  The election is over, but Sarah Palin continues "campaigning".   Oh well, I guess she didn't get the memo.

Sarah Palin constantly pick fights that she can't possibly win, then whines and cries when people hit back.  Learn how to play or take your toys and go home......  and stay there, please.

It seems that you Sarah Palin are always looking for an excuse, someone or something else to blame for your issues.  Take responsibility for your OWN actions for once in your life.  You put yourself in the public eye of scrutiny, and didn't blink when asked if you wanted to do it, but now you cry foul because YOU have issues?

Now you're comparing yourself to Caroline Kennedy and "class bias"?  And you attack Katie Couric because YOU showed the world how unqualified you were, basically....well for anything, less more than the VPOTUS position and then in your latest "interview", you say "Katie, you're not the center of everyone's universe." ... NEITHER you Sarah Palin, so please, just get over yourself already.  Regardless of what "entitlement" you think, the world does not revolve around you.

YOU SARAH PALIN, brought your personal life up for scrutiny when you decided to run for office of VPOTUS, and people saw your hypocrisy.  I see your family members as innocent bystanders who go caught in the cross-fire because of your hypocrisy.

In one of your "interviews", you said that "you can take the attacks (really, I can't tell), but when they come after your daughter Bristol, the mommie grizzly comes out in you".  I do  understand a parent being protective, but Sarah, your poor daughter just had a baby, and it's too late for mommie to be protective.  I wish only the best for your children, and all the family members who got caught in the cross-fire.

Sarah Palin, you made the decision to get into politics, without even blinking or really taking he time to think about it, or understand if you were qualified.  Politics is NOT an easy business, and definitely NOT for the weak.  The solution is quite simple.  If you can't stand the heat, then it would be best if you just stay out of the kitchen.

Sarah Palin hasn't the experience????????? Tell me about Obama's experience...........As with Caroline Kennedy, if you have the money and the media that's all you need:)

How do we even know Tripp is her daughter's child? And who, exactly, is the father? Is he on oxycontin too? What about the daughter? MAURY! MAURY! MAURY!

What makes Pallin so vile is the ease which she can accuse Obama of "palling around with terrorists" and insinuating that Obama's supporters are not real Americans. She is caustic and divisive, not to mention incompetent. And that voice!!! AAAAAgggghhhhhhhhh!

Her blaming the media for her problems is just another example of how completely out of touch with reality she is.

All you really need is the media, the money will follow.

Just ask Obama!

Also making her vile was the joy with which she rallied the crowd to the point of screaming "KILL HIM!" "HE'S A TERRORIST!"

She wants to protect HER daughter?! What about the spike in threats against the Obama family when she had these aggressive, klan-like rallies?

How dare you compare a Down Syndrome baby with a mongoloid child? What kind of person are you?

TTT, is your real name T-T-TODD by any chance? 

Democrat in CT,

Are all of you, guys in CT, so scared of Todd? Rightly so, I guess!

OK schwan, even the secret service has said that never happened.  Maybe do a little research into these funny things called facts.

When you type spike in threats obama into google, the first thing that pops up is "Sarah Palin blamed by the U.S. secret service for death threats...."

Are you that niave to believe everything that is written on the internet?  How very, very sad.

Er... schwannomin?  Those with Down's Syndrome used to be referred to as "Mongoloid," the condition used to be referred to as ""Mongoloid Idiocy."  What kind of person?  Maybe one who's old enough that the older term (not VERY not politically correct, and, yes, rude) comes more naturally.

Are you that niave to believe everything that is written on the internet?

jkenney, let me say something that may be important for people to remember in life.

Slanderers never believe in what they say, they don't need that! They never care about truth! They just consume slander and poison others, the whole environment around them! Just stay away from them, they're ugly to spoil anybody's life!

Ah, the internet has a liberal bias too. I see. Well, good. I can't wait to see what Bristol does this week, or doesn't do. Maybe Levi's mother isn't really going to the hole for dealing drugs. Maybe Levi doesn't even exist. I've only seen him on the liberal media. But either way the Clampetts sure are entertaining.

So, insted of her we have Mr. Biden. I am still looking for that clip of when "FDR got on T.V. and..........."

The difference between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin is that Joe Biden knows and understands what FDR said, and you would have to spot her the "F" and "D" if you wanted Sarah Palin to be able to *spell* "FDR."

Na, Schwannomin, Levi exists.  He quit his job on the Northern Slope because it hit the papers that he didn't meet the legal requirements for the job (high school diploma) and had leapfrogged over the waiting list for the position.

Capt

Rainkiss,

..err, did you read it (wikipedia)? There is no "Bush doctrine", it's a phrase.

Yes, I read it.  Yes, it's a phrase.  That's what they call a couple or more words which refer to something.  Says so right in the first sentence.

The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush.

It then goes on to tell you exactly what those policy principles were.  Had Palin actually been a serious contender for the office of Vice President of the U.S. of A., she might want to have actually gotten to know the foreign policy principles that the US has worked under for the past 8 years, but she apparently couldn't be bothered.

Ah..............Biden..........

"Stand up Chuck! Stand up so people can see you Chuck!

Oh my God what am I saying........Chucks in a wheelchair!

Everyone stand up for Chuck!"

I think I'm gonna upchuck!

Good point Turbull.

Schwann, I'm going to try to explain this to you again.  Anyone can say anything on the internet.  It doesn't have to be be based on facts.  Before you believe what anybody else has said, check it out for sure.  I'm not saying you're an idiot, but you are ignorant of the facts.  If you continue to believe the lies, then, yes, you would be an idiot. 

Actually, my grandmother used to have a good saying for this.  "Don't believe anything you hear, half of what you read, and be skeptical of what you see."

Oh my God what am I saying........Chucks in a wheelchair!

He made a mistake and owned up to it, he didn't say I think Chuck is in a wheel chair, but I will get back to you with the answer.

Thanks rainkiss! I think I did read that, but it was on that sinister internet. I always thought being the Governor's daughter's baby daddy got you perks, like jobs and the rest. What is this guy going to do when radio stations are investigating each of his unfair advantages? I mean, there aren't a lot of jobs out there for 17 year-old fathers without high school educations. I think even McD's requires some kind of education.

I think my favorite Biden gaff was when he stated, very condescendingly, in the veep debate that the role of the VP is very clearly defined in Article 1 of the constitution. The hilarity of it is the Executive Branch is defined in Article 2. I could have sworn Palin would nail him on it. (Serously, no Nailin' Palin jokes!) But I don't think she knew it anyway.

I could have sworn Palin would nail him on it. (Serously, no Nailin' Palin jokes!) But I don't think she knew it anyway.

Or if she would have actually been listening to him and not simply trying to remember what she was going to say next.

I've heard the clip a dozen times.................he says: "Chuck's in a wheelchair'.

Did I say he said "I THINK Chuck's in a wheelchair'?

Does it really matter?

But that is FAAARRR from the only gaffe this man is guilty of.

VP is actually the perfect job for him. He doesn't really do anything. Just keep him away from the media and for Gods sake don't ask him to speak at the inauguration!

Or at any other venue for that matter.

No he said exactly like you said. I said he did not say "I think Chuck is in a wheel chair, but I will get back to you with the answer".

Referring to a Palin Gaffe with Katie Couric.

So you agree, then Clint that Cheney and Palin's description of the VP job was and is  way off?

This weird determination you people seem to have to paint Biden as a clown reeks of desperation.

Yes he speaks his mind, and makes mistakes along the way.  AND he graciously and with good humor acknowledges them as soon as he makes or discovers them.

We cannot say the same for Cheney or Palin.

By highlighting Biden the way you do, you're actually showing a very positive part of him - his good nature goes hand in hand with his missteps.

But I'm sure you'll keep desperately digging, regardless of the condition of your fingernails...

schwannomin (#1.114)

I think my favorite Biden gaff was when he stated, very condescendingly, in the veep debate that the role of the VP is very clearly defined in Article 1 of the constitution.

Actually...  Part of the role of the vice president is laid out in Article One.  Specifically, Palin's favorite talking point about the role, that she'd be "in charge" of the Senate.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

It also outlines when the V.P. does NOT act as President of the Senate (such as when the President is on trial). 

sara palin isnt playing the victim, she was the victim.  I read all the blogs put out by the obama people, and democrats against hillary clinton and sara palin and I also saw the couric broadcast. couric is a third rate reporter who practices gotcha journalism.  the obama people knew they were on a role with their candidate, and we all know why, and so they went into attack mode on anyone in his way. well, hillary was pretty much destroyed as presidential candidate and then they went for palin.  lets see what happens in the next election. there should be enough fodder on obama so the dems dont have such an easy time. I hope the republicans do the attacking next time and realize what a good, solid candidate sara palin was, and will be.

Brenda,

A few points, here.  Blogs are NOT the media.

Katie Couric doesn't practice "gotcha journalism."  That was McCain and Palin's response to having a stupid, unscripted comment Palin made in a public place scattered across the news.  (Remember?)  Couric asked some intelligent questions and got the dumb blonde stare in response, not HER fault Palin didn't know her stuff.  Heck, she asked some EASY questions, and Palin bobbled them so badly she made a laughingstock of herself.

Brenda Palin has a B.A. in journalism!! Did she not pay attention in class? She was a news reporter too!!!

She is playing victim!!!! Blaming the press?? She was part of that press a short while ago? I am pretty sure they did not have deer in the headlights class in the degree program she took.

Look how Stassen never suffered ad hominem attacks. Look how Nader was only attacked because his presence on the ballot robbed the Dems of some green people. Look how Perot was only attacked because he pulled some conservative votes from the GOP. But look how Goldwater was made out to be a Dr. Strangelove brinkist which of course, none say now, instead, calling him 'statesman' once he is ruined. And look how Palin is made to look like a red-necked lightweight moron. This lying brutality will cease the second the left stops quaking when she appears, when she is no longer seen as a threat, and then she'll get to be a statesman (clumsy stated otherwise) too. 

So true

Shes has as much experience as Obama does... so why does everyone throw that in her face so much?! Hmm.. gov. of Alaska or community organiser. Heh. Hard one there.....

I like Sarah very much, and the media coverage she received was agenda-driven - designed to facilitate the election of Obama, and to negate, as much as possible, any effective conservative.

George Really?

Brenda-302070 Tell me what is Palin good at? She did not give use  any reason to vote for her. My grandson that is 10 years old knows the rights of themedia. She showed use nothing but rallyingthe crowd to the point of screaming "KILL HIM!" "HE'S A TERRORIST!". And I really liked her at first after her speech at the Republic convention but after then every time she opened her mouth she LIED. And lets be real here if her daughter would have been Mexican, Black the media would have destroyed her and her baby daddy. Besides the baby had been born and still they are not married. This tell me that Paline was worried that the Media was going to call her a tramp other wise they would be Married by now.  What gave her the right to call Obama a TERRORIST with out facts. And to top that off the Lady is just plain DUMB. We have a dumb president right now and look where our country is going thought, history made by Americans homeless, hungry and no jobs. But doing his Inauguration he promise to protect use from foreign and domestic witch he did not. He only lined his own pocket on the backs of the American people.

I say if you want a female to be President or VP at least pick a female that can read know the American National laws, Constitution and is not a bigot, we are no longer a country of the 50s and what worked then does not work now. I wish also that Palin would run in 2012 and American just might get a repeat on the votes.

George I'd love to see the 'designs' you claim to know about.

Classic humour.

I've noticed a few people saying things like: "MSNBC got Obama elected", and "MSNBC, who control America's media" - to you of the right who seem to adjust actual facts to suit your ideology and prejudices: MSNBC is a cable outlet, like Fox. They have a very limited, niche audience, and the likelihood they'd affect a presidential election in any way is laughable.

The networks are different: much larger audiences - the interviews by Couric and Gibson wil have made a difference, because they were face to face interviews. But ask any politico, and you'll be told that political commenntators very rarely change anyones mind, as we generally gravitate to those commentators we agree with.

This carry on about MSNBC or any other media outlet affecting the vote, is nothing more than taking responsibility away from those that support an ideology based on prejudice, white American hegemony, and religion.

America is ready to move on. It's already trailing the rest of the modern world on so many things, and Americans are finally waking up to the fact that the more right wing America becomes, the more behind it will become.

Go Away Sarah...

You lost...get over it...

She's a witch....

Sarah Palin is a disgrace.

Why won't she just go away...?

1600 posts in 4 1/2 hours....wonder why she won't go away....hmmmmm

With respect to my concern over the viability of a Palin run for the office of POTUS in 2012 or 2016, the biggest danger is that the American public has a very short-term memory and doesn't learn from its mistakes very well.

True, Palin is a moderately savvy politician, but she also is blissfully ignorant about the inner-workings of anything beyond the borders of Alaska.  She has the faux folksy charm and lack of intellectual curiosity of George W. Bush and the Machiavellian mindset of Dick Cheney.  Do we really want to relive the nightmare of the past 8 years? 

A nation that elected GWB (twice!) is capable of doing some really, really stupid things.  So Alaska and the GOP, idolize Goddess Sarah all you want.  Fawn over her rambling statements, embrace her ignorance, be uplifted by her Machiavellian philosophy and lack of ethics, revel in her right-wing social extremism and moral self-righteousness, just keep her the hell away from the lower 48.

if you look at the news www.reuters.com there is no mention of this wench,, so refreshing, I do not grind my teeth, she is a bozo

"On his Web site, Ziegler says that when Palin saw a picture of MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, "she literally let out a shriek and, pointing to his photograph, declared, 'THAT guy is EVIL!' "

Maybe her witch hunting friend can kill 2 birds with one stone by exorcising "That Guy" and "That One" at the same time!

Yes, freedom of the press is evil and should be punished by death.  Preferably shooting liberal commentators from small aircraft.  Put orange vests on the right-wing dominated radio hosts.

/sarcasm ;)

She went full retard! Never go full retard...

And Obama thinks we have 58 states and that The Federal Reserve is a branch of the government...... yea he knows what hes doing too huh. lol. He should win an oscar... because all he can do is "act" and thats all hes done so far... someone writes his scripts.. tells him what to do.. how to be netural on everything... won't comment on Isreal/Gaza thing beause "One president at a time", but then can comment on "bail out plans". whatever. He goes out and acts and gets the credit. Hope he picks a good transition team, because its going to be them running the country.. and not Obama. "Hype the gullible can believe in"

She is the ultimate sexist.  She wants to be treated special, winks and flirts her way along, goes on about lipstick and hockey mommy pit bullsh*t, and then complains when people actually just report what she said and show video of her.  In most of the Saturday night live stuff, they didn't even need to change what she said to get the biggest laughs because she is a joke.   This interview was purely a money grab and you can count on she was paid plenty for it and her trip to Georgia for the runoff election.   Or maybe she was just paying off the hundreds of thousands for her clothes and makeup during the campaign........

This woman needs to go away,I am sick of her whinning ,this country and its people are alot more interested in saving their homes, their jobs,etc. Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TTT, is your real name T-T-TODD by any chance? 

Democrat in CT,

Are all of you, guys in CT, so scared of Todd? Rightly so, I guess!

 Yup, we "scared of Todd".  You found us out.   What are you talking about?  Paranoid much?

The war going on between palin lovers and palin haters on this blog is really amusing. On one side my comment got 60 plus votes and on the other it gets collapsed by the community. What I find even more amusing is that probably the same person, or persons, collapsing a valid comment have multiple alliases and log on several times to collapse the offending comment. Funny.

Newsvine - Comment Restored‏

From:
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Sent:
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To:
Peter Jacobs

Dear Peter Jacobs,

The Newsvine Team has deemed the following comment to be appropriate and within 

the guidelines of our policies: 

Ms. Palin is NOT qualified to lead this nation in any way, shape or form. 

Completely inexperienced she tries to pass an air of a qualified professional politician 

boiling down to nothing more than an attempt at lying to people of what she is not. 

Associating herself with a pitbull clearly projects her image to the rest of the World 

as being another bush that would shoot first and ask later. The fact that she would 

put lipstick on the poor creature indicates that she would allienate even the pitbull. 

Her poor attempts at manipulating the press, what the press would report to the 

World, and then crying foul when the image does not get projected as she wanted 

is yet another indication of how she works. Instead of working on what her state 

requires, instead of an honest days work, she would rather count her successes 

with positive image exposure by the press. Truly a sad person not worthy of 

representing the people of Alaska and even less the pitbull.  

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/09/2291263-palin-attacks-media-over-very-scary-reporting#c4727585

This just in!!! Sarah Palin's grandbaby-daddy's momma is speaking out to People magazine. She said she had a historectomy that led to several other surgeries, which led to her being involved in the Oxycontin trade.

HAHA! The Clampett's just keep it coming. Sarah please, oh please, don't go anywhere. I really want to see her reality show.

my question is this...if the lady is addicted to the pain-killers why was she trying to sell them?  Most addicts try to buy their drug of choice, not sell it.

Peter,

What a great observation. What happens, I think, is that once a seed like this is posted, a few people come in and dabble to see which way the post will go--conservative or liberal. Once a certain amount of very strong bloggers (obviously such as yourself) have gotten a high amount of votes and deemed it either way, then most of the other side leaves, and only a few brave souls continue to try to argue to the contrary.

Sometimes if the seed goes on as long as it has, like this one, the other side may take back over at the end, and your comment may suddenly be a threat, so it becomes collapsed.

The moral of the story here is that people will collapse comments if it doesn't agree with them, and they will vote comments they agree with even if they aren't necessarily the best argument (not that yours was). Welcome to Newsvine! =)

SecretagentLee,

my question is this...if the lady is addicted to the pain-killers why was she trying to sell them?  Most addicts try to buy their drug of choice, not sell it.

At a guess, she buys more pain-killers than she uses to finance the ones she DOES use.  They can't be cheap, considering what we paid for painkillers at the pharmacy after my husband's surgery.

case 2.. the first one is a weak woman with no spine.

Joe,

women have curves. men have spines.

Shaker, lol.

For those of you who picked case 2, you better be ready to date Roseanne and Rosie.

I would trust Palin over Kennedy.  I would rather deal with someone who speaks her mind (bad or good) versus someone who just says things to please the media and people.  And yes, the mainstream media is extremely liberal.  She has a right to vent on how she was treated.  If Clinton or Kennedy were treated that way, it's sexism.  If Obama was treated that way, it's racism but Palin was treated that way.......well, it's OK (she just has to have thick skin?).  Give me a break!  It's double standard.  Why do I expect from liberals?  They are not about fairness.  They are the most narrow minded people I have come in contact with.

I would rather deal with someone who speaks her mind (bad or good) versus someone who just says things to please the media and people

Four words: "palling around with terrorists." That was not her speaking her mind. That was her spouting useless drivel to her "constituency."

Why do I expect from liberals?  They are not about fairness. They are the most narrow minded people I have come in contact with

Yes, the progressive title was given to the liberals because they are narrow-minded. Good thinking.

A promise to get things straight and undo 104 regulations that Bush and other necons put in-place of a good economy including tax-cuts for the rich and bailouts for the companies that do not live up to expectations but are hording the money and cut the jobs.

see, first part is supposed to be to show the world that repubs can be and will be bribed. Then create laws to abolish that kind of thinking and then put the companies where they are supposed to be, in the market of job creation not elimination.

with that a promise not to cut the Social Programs "Across the Board" to keep the war in Iraq ruining.

Joe - It is getting SO tiring dealing with bitter people like you who can't accept the fact that Obama won - truly won - he didn't have to steal the election like W did.  Just get over it and work on making the Republican party credible again.  You need to stop looking like a bunch of whiny nut jobs.

 There is a double standard of behavoir for women then men, especially in politics. However, last year Hillary Clinton was treated unfairly many times by the media, and she didn't whine about it. If Palin wants to run for president she has to tough it out.

She also has to learn stop saying stupid stuff, and read the constitution.

Two words for Palin...

Grow Up!

Alex, you're obviously a weak man who is intimidated by a smart woman.  You can only handle a woman who "just looks around, smiles, and walks".   

That, or, like in gradeschool, you secretly love the girl you pretend to loath.

In any case, I hope both case 1 and case 2 avoid dating you entirely. 

When the debate moderator asked "If in charge what would be your threshold for using nuclear weapons", Palins response was "I'm not going to answer that I'm just gonna talk straight to the American people".

If ever there was a question that the american people deserved a straight answer to that was it. Yes she scares me.

June

I had a misfortune of dating girls who talk and walk like P(St)alin.

It's not intimidation that makes me pull the plug. It's the fact that they are like Islamic Terrorists just say what someone told them to say because otherwise they act like a hyperactive state of the Bipolar Disorder, as in emotional terrorist. Saying crazy things is a part of it and is called a psychotic episode. It could be life threatening to me!

Are you living with one of those?

Joe: when presented with the international crisis of the economic collapse, candidate Obama reacted with calm confidence. The other candidate acted in a bizarre manner, contradicting himself day-to-day, having no positive impact on the issue and, if anything, making matter worse.

That is what qualifies Obama to be president and disqualified McCain.

Given the current president's responses to big events (9/11, Katrina, etc.) the American voter places a high value on a president's ability to address such trials.

And, of course, she could just be on drugs!

For Alex, I damn sure wouldn't date Caroline b4 Sarah.

Palin may not have had ultimate qualifications but neither does Obama or Caroline Kennedy. Come on, get off your liberal, Dem Party soap box and face reality, none of these politicians are qualified for what they must do the next 4 years.

The media did a good job of smearing Sarah Palin.  Why were they so anxious for her to provide medical proof that Trig was her son, but Obama could never show his birth certificate.   

The media is harsh, run for political office and all of your skeletons come out of the closet, invented or real.  But the media does pick and choose which ones to elaborate on and which ones to ignore.  And the media wanted Obama as president, hands down.  Not just a democrat, because they were pretty rough with Hilary, but they wanted Obama.  And we have him.  I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to wait and see how he proves himself.  Hopefully he will have some good strategies and ideas and turn things around.  But can he accomplish it in four years?  Not likely.  And when things don't immediately change, the media will change thier tune.

Johnny2009

which of the 57 states do you live in

Ummm last I check there was 50 states?  i think you need to go back to 2nd grade history.

Ummm last I check there was 50 states?  i think you need to go back to 2nd grade history.

Cnclarke820,  Maybe the guy you voted for should go back to 2nd grade history class.  HE is the one who claimed there were 57 states.  Here ya go:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/obama-57-states.htm

Now...I'm going to guess this will be met with the typical, liberal justifications and excuses.  "It was just a mistake."  "He was kidding".  Or it will be ignored.

I hadn't seen that before and i don't know why he said it.

And why label me liberal because i pointed out there were 50 states.

Jonny wrote:

you liberals are so nervous about sarah palin - it's amazing. 

In all clearheaded honesty, yes, I am nervous about Sarah Palin. Ever since the Republican shift to running campaigns on "cultural issues' but governing through corporatism and economic class warfare, they have seemed to present candidates with less and less substance, purely for whatever "faux populist" image they present-- and Palin is just the logical end to that process. Reagan, Bush 1, Gingrich, Bush 2-- as far as I can tell, there has been a decline in ability and statesmanship, and an increase in the "guy I'd have a beer with" rubric for choosing politicians.

Look around next time you're out at the bar-- do any of those people actually seem like someone you'd want running the country?

So yes, the fact that some still hold Palin up as a viable candidate makes me nervous. The fact that they promote her while still running a culture-war campaign I also find inconsistent, since she and her family experience stand almost directly counter to the "abstinence only" and "unwed mothers are the cause of all social evil" threads in the discussion. For some reason, news about Jamie Lynn's pregnancy prompted quite a bit of sounds and light from the right-- but Bristol is given a free pass...

(I hesitated before writing the above, and I'm sure that I'll get heat for dragging that into the discussion... but I didn't bring the girl into the public eye, after all...)

or is that question above your paygrade? 

Apparently, that particular question was above the paygrade of the Supreme Court as well. From the Roe decision, part IX, section B:

We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.

Aw, come on, Pat, you know better.  If all you can find to twit Obama on is one slip of the tongue (he was referring to the forty-seven states which he'd visited during his campaign), then why in the name of fuzzy blue devils are you still complaining?  Sorry, but one misspeaking hardly compares to the Fountain of Ignorance that McCain and Co. were trying to foist on us.

Obama was apparently including DC and the american territories also, but he was still off on his statement. There are five territories in addition to washington Dc and the 50 states. (total of 56 areas)
And yes, his comment was glossed over by media in saying that he just made a mistake. If Palin had said that she would have been called stupid, but for barack he "just made a mistake".

There were other "slips of the tongue" by obama that were barely mentioned by media.

By the way, in addition to washington Dc as I said, the other five territories are: Guam, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Northern Mariana Islands and the US virgin Islands. One cool thing which has nothign to do with blog. If you collect the state quarters, you know all 50 are out, but now they are doing these six additional ones in 2009.

Girl? GIRL? What century are you from? I wouldn't date Biden, either. I'm afraid of his Berreta.

Sarah Palin represents many of the attributes that have caused the social divide in this country and the polarization of politics. There is a distinct difference between being a populist and an anti-intellectual. While representing herself as the former she is a glaring example of the latter. She obviously places little to no emphasis in her personal life on education. Despite a financial position most would find enviable her children and son in law have not pursued any educational opportunity she often speaks of her family but never mentions any goals or sucess other than phsical contests. She was the least well educated candidate from any party in over a century exclusive of Harry Truman who lost an appointment to West Point due to poor eyesight and his family was in a poor financial position which precluded going on to college, it was not class bias or anti- intellectualism which stopped him just lack of money. Sarah Palin college credits were essentially 4 yrs of various community college and eighteen months at a school with the ability to present a BA. None of her schools had entrance standards all with open admissions, this does not make her a bad person but it probably does reflect on both her intellectual capacity and what premium she places on education. The interview questions she could not or would not answer should have been second nature. The questioning she most objected to were follow ups to statements she had made. She is the one who brought up McCains being an advocate throughout his career for regulation and could not name one instance. When asked a general question on foreign policy experience she is the one who brought up proximitey to Russia and when asked a general question on the role of the Supreme Court she is the one who cited problems with judicial activism and when asked what decisions bothered her she could not name one. She failed in a way that was an embarrasment to herself and out nation that she could even be considered as a steward of the Constitution it was patently obvious that she had never read it. She had no idea what the duties , responsibilities and parameters of the Vice Presidency were and to blame her deficiencies on others is immature at best. Being average as a reason to elect someone is stupid we are asking these men and women to succeed in solving gordian difficulties affecting the entire world being common which was her only marketable asset does not fill the bill.

JKHayes

the one who can go out and shoot dinner and keep me warm .not the one who spends all the money just so she can look cute for everbody. if any of you never did anything wrong you are a lier so what gives you the right to talk crap look in the mirror.

Rawski

Supposingly, people can change.

"Just because we lost an election, it doesn't mean we have to change our ways." -- S. Palin was speaking in Georgia after Nov. 4th election in November last year.

Why would Palin change? I think she likes being a pit-bull with the lipstick and shot-gun.

Yeah, no one mentions Biden.  That guy is a dumba$$.  I hope nothing happens to Obama because i sure don't want some guy like him in charge.  Someone who has "forgotten more about foreing policy than some of the guys in the senate know."  Someone who keeps talking and digging himself deeper trying to get out.  "Stand Up, Chuck!"  Chuck is in wheelchair. 

This guy is no worse than Sarah Palin.

Shaker

high five and down low

you are not slow

lol

WmRAllen said it in a way I never could.  I totally agree with his statements.  So if folks want to say we're "afraid" of Sarah Palin - color me guilty, but not for what you'd like to think.  I too am afraid of what she represents - I've had enough of this culture war and the so-called "family values" bullcrap that the Republican party thinks they represent.

No more right-wing religious fruitcakes!!!

Jim

P(St)alin is sick. In time for ellection many people thought so. I think.

What normal person would say that news anchor is Evil?

Speaking of Evil, why Bush is trying to rewrite his history?

See. even after the loss of support from many people, Bush is still a divider.

One part (Pro-American) is Good. The other (Anti-American) is Evil.

BJ

I like Obama's family Values.

I saw Michell as polite, smart, with good self-control and very versatile in conversations. I loved the way she handled herself with the press, always tactical.

Michelle and Barack sleep on the floor together with their kids in Kenya so that the kids will know how it feels to be poor .

Nothing bits the immigration as in learning another language and learning surviving skills, job skills and ACCULTURATION. The last one feels like a backbone breaking. Or so they'd say.

A few weeks is just a vacation.

Family values come from the mind set. Reward and another reward.

Palin talks like something is not settled all too well, and I think there is a conflict of some kind in her head. 

Brittany,

The media did a good job of smearing Sarah Palin.  Why were they so anxious for her to provide medical proof that Trig was her son, but Obama could never show his birth certificate.   

You're a little behind in the times, you need to catch up with current news.  Just google it, and you'll find copies of his birth certificate.  I would supply the websites where you could find it, but you could probably use the practice.

Yeah, I guess I am behind in the times.  I really don't care though. I was making a comparison between the two because neither were very forthcoming were they?  Apparently now Obama has submitted his documentation, good for him.  But really, why were either of these topics under public scrutiny? 

And yes, I'm well aware of how to use Google and other assorted search engines and websites.  Thank you, and have a nice day.

brittany,

You're right, neither topic was worth talking about.  Clearly the powers that be would be sure a presidential nominee was an American citizen before they even got the process started.  And whether or not Trig was her child or not is neither here nor there.

I'm sure you do know how to use google.  That was a cheap shot, sorry about that.

It's okay.  And I apologize for any offense I may have caused

She needs to get a life! When you choose to walk in the Lions den you must be ready to be bitten or eaten. And she wanted to be VP? Come on now.

CRAMMING!

I love that word.

Whoever, "it's not a legal requirement for a president to know anything" -- S. P(St)alin

is also a lot more then CRAMMING.

Family values?

"This campaign is about family values" J. McCain

Abuse of Power in P(St)alin family. To say it's media's scrutiny is to blame

on top of all other she said and done things is manipulative and therefore SICK!

What would she like the media say? that she looks preaty in the $150 000 dress but leave the brains out of it?

oh you're really intelligent.  seeing russia from a bathroom?  so you get your news from saturday night live?  you're obviously part of the SS led by herr oberstummfuhrer keith ubermann and his little boy dog rachel maddCOW.

jonny2009--Isn't your school bus coming soon?  Better get ready, you don't want to be late.

I suspect Jonny2009's school bus is the SHORT one....

Jonny, no democrat is nervous or afraid of Palin. On the contrary, democrats would like nothing better than for her to become the face of the republican party....really!

Jonny2009

Actually, Palin did mention in the first Katie Couric interview, that she and Russia were neighbors, and their air planes fly over Alaska air space. She also said, "I can see Russia from my kitchen window. Well, I know they share waterway as we do. Yeah, ...they're really close."

Saturday Live, took Palin words close to verbatium and add the twist, "I can see Russia from my house from the original quote.

Sarah Palin, stop crying and admit that your  IGNORANCE took you were you are. YOu are not a victim and nobody feels sorry for you.

And will you please shut up and go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jonny2009 is a troll.  I think its name was once jweisswssw which is probably an alias for something else.  Don't you have anything better to do?  Please do not feed the trolls.  It only encourages them.

poppinmary,

You seem to be a very angry and frustrated women.  May I suggest politics as a possible vocation. 

GMM, I wish I could vote for your comment 100 times. Just go away would be my vote. She is  in denial of her own stupidity. What an embrassment to listen to her, because I don't think she gets it. Plain and simple-SHUT UP!! But she won't because she likes to watch herself over and over. She's becoming a comedy act, it's something to fall back on when Alaska gets smart and sends her packing.

oh that's right.  sarah wasn't educated in haaaaahhhhvvaaaaahd.  the haaaahhhvvahd elites are the only ones with brains - they are so smmmaaaahht.  kennedy a social elite?  you betcha!  the woman can drink a few just like the rest of her dysfunctional family. 

Joe, The answer to your question is intelligence--something that has been lacking in the White House for the past 8 years. I voted for change, anything would have been better than a continuation of the failed policies perpetrated on us by 'Shrub' the past 8 years.

Joe

This is an old repub neo-conazi strategem. Whine about someone else and get people to defend someone who doesn't need defending. Reread the article. It's about Palin's interview wth a nazi to shill a BS DVD. This tactic won't work. It's too old and it's been seen too many times. Try again with something else.

If Palin hadn't had decent looks when she was younger, and undoubtedly been good in the sack 'cause I know for a fact those state beauty queen judges can be demanding, she'd be living in a frigging trailer park. lol

joe-295829 lighten up. We have this President for 4 years. The election is now over. You can't seriously believe that Palin is more qualified if something happened to McCain. Oh you probably do.

Joe, what he has is the majority of the votes!

Don't worry, even though she won't be VP, you can still get more photos of her to tape to the ceiling above your bed!

no JR you did not give me one good qualification for him to be President what you gave me was your point of view and your HATRED of the Current President.. Jim it is a simple question if you cant anwswer it then keep your ass out of the conversation. .So here we have The World According to Jim " All beauty Queens are whores who slept their way to the title." Does that about sum up what you said there jimboy?

Mike I did not say she was more qualified.. I said he was not qualfied.  And No Mike I did not think she was at this time..

Way2Go Just the kind of response I expected from a leftist.. If they dont have anything intelligent to add they just throw out the white trash lable.. I am so glad the left loves for the rest of us to support lazy (insert what you think here )  people who spend decades on Welfare..

Yep that's what I said there, Joeygirl.

Oh, and I said that trying to drive this article into having to do with Obama, or anyone and anything except what it actually pertains to, is something that is old and too well known as an insipid, unoriginal neo-conazi tactic. So I have to make the conclusion that you're an insipid, unoriginal neo-connazi. Follow that logic, Joeygirl? If not get your boyfriend to explain it to you. Go back to your neo-conazi handlers and tell them that it didn't work. lol

what exactly makes everyone think obama is so smart? Is it the fact he really makes a good speech when he has a teleprompter in front of him? Obviously he reads well, but I don't consider that to make him smart. Have you ever noticed how he stumbles around on a question he wasn't expecting?

Obama - uh...., yes, uh...., to answer that question, uh...., (ok now that I have had time to think about my answer) I believe........

Palin - thats a good question my answer is (open mouth insert foot)

Palin may be good but until she learns to think before she speaks she will never be able face the media/public without criticism.   Sometimes verbal ticks can be used to the advantage of the speaker to buy time to THINK before talking.

Have you ever noticed how he stumbles around on a question he wasn't expecting?

Did you even WATCH Palin's interviews with Katie Couric?  You could SEE Katie trying not to bust out laughing at her.

My statement was about Obama in asking why people think he's so smart, Rainkiss. You are the one bringing up Palin. She's not as smooth a talker as he is, I'll admit. He could be a snake oil salesman and probably be successful, but doesn't mean he's honest and sure the hell doesn't mean he'll be good president.

I know blagoyevich but had no idea he was trying to sell my senate seat (prepared statement, well delivered.)

In answering question about it. I.....uh....we....uh....I had no contact with....uh.....Governor Blagoyevich concerning the senate seat.

Few days later another question I....uh.....we....uh....had no INAPPROPRIATE contact with Gov. Blagoyevich over the vacant senate seat. We......uh......I.......uh......we wil investigate ourselves and release information about all contacts. Complete transparency.

Verbal ticks can be used to think up a lie that will get you out of the interview so you can come up with a better way to explain later on.

Joe wrote:

I ask you what did obama have to prove he was ready to run this country?

The support of the people?

An actual plan for working through the economic problems, as opposed to a feeling that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" while it collapsed around him?

The ability to deal with substantial issues, and present a unified and unifying message, as opposed to becoming distracted by unsatisfactory ad hominem attacks?

Knowing that the real "class war" in this country has to do with economics and the promotion of corporatism over the promotion of middle-class interests, and not over "cultural war" issues that are campaigned on in theory, but ignored in practice?

A desire to move the country forward, as opposed to fighting the battles of the 1960s and 1970s over again ad infinitum?

The ability to look beyond the elitist "latte liberal" rhetoric and choose people for his advisory positions who have the education and intelligence to do the job, not just giving out positions as political plums and nepotistic rewards?

The Republicans ran the same campaigns that have worked for them in the recent past-- mostly based on the "backlash" conservatism of the latter part of the 20th century, while ignoring the fact that they had moved too far from the core of actual conservative values (low spending, small government, &c) and too far toward the divisive, far-right spectrum of moral rhetoric, without balancing corporate and popular interests-- in short, working for the wealthy elite and denigrating the rest by not recognizing that there is a class war in this country, and that it's economic, not cultural.

The Democrats (finally!) found a candidate that could motivate the populace and at the same time successfully resist the ad hominem attacks that were all that the Right had to put forth-- and, let's admit, who got plenty of help from the Republican Party itself owing to the unsatisfactory performance of the current administration.

Is this joe, Joe the Plummer? If they keep her, just move to Alaska, you can get all the Palin you can stand then, and we, in the rest of the country, won't have to continue with this comedy show.

jim you reacted exactly as predicted.. you came back with their response leftist homophobes. while i hate gays and all they stand for I accept the fact that they have their own life and can do what ever they want in their own home. you on the other hand have no intelligent response to any subject which disagrees with your lord and master obama. carol being of like mind with jim shows her hatred of palin by showing in the same vain of hatred she probably shows the current President. While I will have to work for the new President I do not have to like it, But unlike some of you once he is sworn in on his Koran I will no longer be able to speak my point of view about him. But you keep your hatred going it makes for great tv here in the land of the garden of eden.

Joe. You make no sense. It is ok for you to hate gays,

while i hate gays and all they stand for I accept the fact that they have their own life and can do what ever they want in their own home

But not ok for us to 'Hate' Palin (although that's a strong word, and even if I dislike the woman I don't hate her as you claim),

But you keep your hatred going it makes for great tv here in the land of the garden of eden

Also, what evidence do you have that Obama is being sworn in on the Koran? And also, what difference would it make if he were? Are you also hateful toward Islam?

actually, Obama is being sworn in with the same Bible Lincoln used. That story was reported several weeks ago. Obama was criticized for it.

useless comment.  no facts. no supporting statements.  here are facts and accomplishments of Governor Sarah Palin:

- proposing a 7% reduction in Alaska's budget for 2009
- has the highest security clearance of all US governors
- is the commander in chief of the only national guard that is active 24/7 because of the anti-missile defense shield
- eliminated property taxes as mayor
- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska
- visited US troops in Kuwait before she was a VP candidate, not a photo-op like Obama
- she is "tech-savvy" and uses technology for improving government services in alaska
- she is reforming state-health care
- gave equal rights to same-sex couples who are state employees
- gave birth to a baby who she knew had down's syndrome and called it a "priviledge"

AND she negotiated with Canada to deliver Alaska's natural gas to the United States as well as oversees the ongoing treaty with Russia about overflights of Russian aircraft into US airspace. 

So, try again.

jonny2009

Thanks for the facts! That is something that the other sides amazingly sidesteps. They believe SNL and the MMM who have an axe to grind, instead of researching a single fact!

Sarah 2012! You Betcha'!

Jonny2009

You have a lot of nerve throwing facts into the discussion.  There is no room for facts in a liberal conversation.  Please post your comments somewhere else.

Except they aren't even Facts....just BS which I addressed in his repeat spamming below.

For someone the left classifies an idiot I would like to see how Couric stacks up., Or Olberman.  All they got is mouth and both use them quite well for obama..

Joe,  the majority of the American people used thier common sense and said Palin wasn't close to qualified and that McCain was suspect for selecting her. You can debate all you want about what she is or accomplished but the American people used their common sense and saw nothing!

It seems to me that Jonny, Joe  and some of the others here are the ones afraid.  They are terrified of having a liberal black man lead the nation. Grow up guys, its happening.  He won fair and square and by a landslide.  

But yes, the idea of Palin that close to the presidency did scare me. She seemed to be too much of a loose cannon for me, and has done nothing to change my mind since

Common sense?

Please explain what you mean. I just saw two cars run a red light at the same time.

- proposing a 7% reduction in Alaska's budget for 2009

I guess she must be cutting back on her paid travel and per diem abuse.  

- has the highest security clearance of all US governors

Clearances are given by need only and are not indicative of intelligence, rank, or status.  I have one, but don't claim to be anyone special.

- is the commander in chief of the only national guard that is active 24/7 because of the anti-missile defense shield

And rallies the troops by asserting that Iraq is a holy war.

- eliminated property taxes as mayor

+1

- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska

"Drill, baby drill!"

- visited US troops in Kuwait before she was a VP candidate, not a photo-op like Obama

How could this be anything more than a photo-op.  What support could she have possibly provided to the soldiers?

- she is "tech-savvy" and uses technology for improving government services in alaska

Tech savvy enough to use yahoo mail for official business and leave it insecure enough to be hacked.

- she is reforming state-health care

+1

- gave equal rights to same-sex couples who are state employees

Never heard of this, but I am sceptical because of her attitudes on gay marriage and religion.

- gave birth to a baby who she knew had down's syndrome and called it a "priviledge"

That's not an accomplishment, that's just a political angle for an unforunate situation.

- AND she negotiated with Canada to deliver Alaska's natural gas to the United States

Don't know enough about this one. +1 I guess.

- as well as oversees the ongoing treaty with Russia about overflights of Russian aircraft into US airspace. 

If she had phrased it this way instead of some incoherent ramble about Putin rearing his head in the Couric interview, she would have fared a bit better.

Jonny

She's the first woman to get close to the presidency. She was doomed to be ripped to shreds. Maybe in better times the public could have been mote accepting of a "cutesy" candidate, but after W's inability to speak intelligently in public, (I'm not stating my political preference, face it folks, public speaking is not his best subject) there was no tolerance for her nic-names and winking at the camera. Regardless how well she did or did not do her current job.

Andrew, common sense means that all spin aside, people can usually see through the BS and make a sound decision. Common sense isn't always right, but it mostly is.

Jennifer...""She's the first woman to get close to the presidency.""

ever heard of Geraldine Ferraro????? She came just as close

However, Geraldine Ferraro was (is) intelligent and well educated!

Yes She is.

Geraldine Anne Ferraro (born August 26, 1935) is an attorney and a Democratic politician and a former member of the United States House of Representatives. She was the first female Vice Presidential candidate representing a major American political party
Ferraro grew up in New York and became a teacher and lawyer. In 1974 she joined the Queens County District Attorney's Office, where she headed the new Special Victims Bureau that dealt with sex crimes, child abuse, and domestic violence. She was elected to Congress in 1978, where she rose rapidly in the party hierarchy while focusing on legislation to bring equity for women in the areas of wages, pensions, and retirement plans. In 1984, former Vice President and Presidential candidate Walter Mondale selected Ferraro to be his running mate in the upcoming election.
She served as a United States Ambassador to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights from 1993 until 1996 in the Presidential administration of Bill Clinton. She has also continued her career as a journalist, author, and businesswoman.
She is a board member of the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[22] In 1989, she became president of the newly established International Institute for Women's Political Leadership. In 1992 she was on the founding board of Project Vote Smart.[126] By 1993, she was serving on the Fordham Law School Board of Visitors, as well as on the boards of the National Breast Cancer Research Fund, the New York Easter Seal Society, and the Pension Rights Center, and was one of hundreds of public figures on the Planned Parenthood Federation of America's Board of Advocates. In 1999 she joined the board of the Bertarelli Foundation, and in 2003, the board of the National Women's Health Resource Center.

smart, intelligent?  debatable....

Thanks, NotSanta, saved me the research.  :D

She was as close as Palin ever got (possibly closer, she was a much more viable candidate) and didn't catch a fraction of the flak Palin brought upon herself.

is the commander in chief of the only national guard that is active 24/7 because of the anti-missile defense shield

hmmm in this country there is only one Commander and Chief for every branch of the service and it's not a Governor. Also if someone came across the border she is not in control of any missile control LOL or has any say. And when you think about that statement it's a bit silly. Now here is the mission statement from the Alaska National Guard:

Headquarters:
At the direction of the President of the United States and the Governor of Alaska, the mission of the Alaska National Guard Military Headquarters is to provide mission ready forces to the federal government and the citizens of Alaska by providing military support of the Air National Guard and Army National Guard to civil authorities during natural disasters or emergencies under the command of the Adjutant General of the Department of Military and Veterans Affairs/State of Alaska.

Do you think Palin could point out NORAD out on a map?

A grateful comment to MRT418756

At least the attempt has been made to explain common sense. The BS you mentioned is so abundant that digging through it is exhausting. Common sense tells me I need more than one shovel.

Merci

Hey Tim lets throw you into the race for anything on a moments notice and see how well you do..

Well Joe - she should have been smart enough NOT to agree to take the nomination on a "moment's notice".  If she didn't realize she wasn't ready, someone had to point it out to her - and I'd LOVE to see her one-on-one with either Couric or Olbermann.  It would be hilarious.

I'll tell you reason some demcratic people hate Sarah, especially some democratic women. first, They've been pissed off since 2000 when they accused Bush of stealing election, even though voting problems in Florida were mostly in democrat dominated districts, with democratic voting judges.

They haven't been happy with their lives and were looking for a savior and adopted Barack for that position. He also quickly became a pop culture presidential candidate and even though he had absolutely no qualifications to be president, it was the cool thing to do for the left to get on the bandwagon.

Then when an attractive, intelligent woman was added to McCain's ticket, they couldn't stand it. Democratic men were upset because the main females they had on their side were Streisand, Mad Cow, Oprah, and the left wing women from the view, Whoopi Goldberg, Baba WaWa and that Joy @!$%# whatever her last name is. Best option guys, join republican party. We have Palin, Elizabeth from view, Megyn Kelly, Ainsley Earhart and more.

For the democratic women in the electorate, Palin was better looking than they were, she was happy with her life and since she had lots of children they knew she was having sex on a regular basis. Since these women weren't happy with their looks or their lives and weren't having enough sex, naturally they hated her. Her are my suggestions if you don't want to join republican party, Dem ladies. They do have things you can do to improve your looks to a certain point. For some it's hopeless though. Go to a therapist to help you appreciate your lives more if that's a big problem. But most importantly, get with your husband/boyfriend (or girlfriend if you're into that) and have some good, nasty sex. Your whole outlook on life will change. YOu'll forget all about bashing Bush or Palin.

If you traveled outside of Orange County every once in a while you would realize that there are more important considerations when choosing a national leader than looks.

Darrell - Don't let your cousin/wife read that, you'll be even more lonely than you are.

Talk about "CLUELESS"

Darrell

Thank you for backing me up-most Conservatives are in the closet, your remarks don't sound very GOP to me, more like trailer trash.

I'm not looking for a savior or a pop sensation, darrell, I was looking for a competent person and found him in Barack.  As for the rest of your little rant here, I'm guessing the first woman you got that you didn't have to pay for was left with a lot to be desired but probably put on a good show because she felt sorry for you.  But hey, if the bitter women on the left can have ALL their problems solved by a good dickindown, then I'm sure you're man enough for the job.  You should go out to the pro-choice rallies.  Those chicks are hot AND they put out!  You know they do or why else would they be there?  We're sitting on a gold mine here, brutha!

Darrell, are you brain dead?

Darrell, are you kidding?  I don't judge the satisfaction that I have in life by such superficial standards....your description sounds like you believe that all intelligent, liberal women are like the stereotypical "ugly" high school girl not invited to the prom!!!  Believe me that mature successful women are way, way past the type of juvenile jealousies you are talking about.  We buy our own houses, jewelry, cars and have masters degrees, which give us opportunities to have successful careers in whatever field we choose.  We don't read People magazine and could care less about how many time Sarah Palin has sex (ew!).  Also, we know how to have sex without having an endless chain of births.......in short, we are happy and provide for ourselves.

Palin was a member of the Wasilla, Alaska city council from 1992 to 1996 and the city's mayor from 1996 to 2002. After an unsuccessful campaign for lieutenant governor of Alaska in 2002, she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004. She was elected governor of Alaska in November 2006. Palin is the first female governor of Alaska and the youngest person elected governor of that state.

Palin was the Republican Party's vice-presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election together with Senator John McCain. Palin was the second female candidate and the first Alaskan candidate of either major party, as well as the first female vice-presidential nominee of the Republican Party.

Palin was born in Sandpoint, Idaho, the third of four children of Sarah Heath (née Sheeran), a school secretary, and Charles R. Heath, a science teacher and track coach.The family moved to Alaska when she was an infant. The family regularly ran 5 km and 10 km races.

Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school, a member of the girls' cross country team, and the captain and point guard of the school's girls' basketball team that won the Alaska state championship in 1982.

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983. In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education.After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987.

In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage, and for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman as a sports reporter.She also helped in her husband’s commercial fishing family business.

darrell-473614

I'll tell you reason some demcratic people hate Sarah, especially some democratic women. first, They've been pissed off since 2000 when they accused Bush of stealing election, even though voting problems in Florida were mostly in democrat dominated districts, with democratic voting judges.

They haven't been happy with their lives and were looking for a savior and adopted Barack for that position. He also quickly became a pop culture presidential candidate and even though he had absolutely no qualifications to be president, it was the cool thing to do for the left to get on the bandwagon.

Then when an attractive, intelligent woman was added to McCain's ticket, they couldn't stand it. Democratic men were upset because the main females they had on their side were Streisand, Mad Cow, Oprah, and the left wing women from the view, Whoopi Goldberg, Baba WaWa and that Joy @!$%# whatever her last name is. Best option guys, join republican party. We have Palin, Elizabeth from view, Megyn Kelly, Ainsley Earhart and more.

For the democratic women in the electorate, Palin was better looking than they were, she was happy with her life and since she had lots of children they knew she was having sex on a regular basis. Since these women weren't happy with their looks or their lives and weren't having enough sex, naturally they hated her. Her are my suggestions if you don't want to join republican party, Dem ladies. They do have things you can do to improve your looks to a certain point. For some it's hopeless though. Go to a therapist to help you appreciate your lives more if that's a big problem. But most importantly, get with your husband/boyfriend (or girlfriend if you're into that) and have some good, nasty sex. Your whole outlook on life will change. YOu'll forget all about bashing Bush or Palin.

Hey Darrell,  thanks for once again showing how mentally challenged you are.

NotSanta

Palin was a member of the Wasilla, Alaska city council from 1992 to 1996 and the city's mayor from 1996 to 2002. After an unsuccessful campaign for lieutenant governor of Alaska in 2002, she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004. She was elected governor of Alaska in November 2006. Palin is the first female governor of Alaska and the youngest person elected governor of that state.

Palin was the Republican Party's vice-presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election together with Senator John McCain. Palin was the second female candidate and the first Alaskan candidate of either major party, as well as the first female vice-presidential nominee of the Republican Party.

Palin was born in Sandpoint, Idaho, the third of four children of Sarah Heath (née Sheeran), a school secretary, and Charles R. Heath, a science teacher and track coach.The family moved to Alaska when she was an infant. The family regularly ran 5 km and 10 km races.

Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, located 44 miles (71 km) north of Anchorage.She was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school, a member of the girls' cross country team, and the captain and point guard of the school's girls' basketball team that won the Alaska state championship in 1982.

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983. In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education.After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987.

In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage, and for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman as a sports reporter.She also helped in her husband’s commercial fishing family business.

You forgot to mention she was the most unqualified candidate in American history to run for the White House, from any party. That is what she will be remembered for in American history, hell of a legacy. A hundred years from now, people will still be laughing over Caribou Barbi and wondering why the Republican Party disappeared into the political junkyard.

I was being kind

Um, looks are so important in politics, please.  Only an idiot with no self esteem would be jealous of Palin.

Kathy:  Exactly the same comment I was going to make that Joe can't seem to comprehend how the Republicans created this situation and then threw Sarah out to the press without more than "talking ponts" and her hockey Mom skills.

jonny2009,

But remember she's inexperienced and not qualified relative to dumBHO! He did, after all, do some community organizing.

Okay, joe is Joe the plummer, and jonny is McCain.  So that explains the stand they take!! That's sweet, fellas!!!  

useless comment.  no facts. no supporting statements.  here are facts and accomplishments of Governor Sarah Palin:

Sources?

- proposing a 7% reduction in Alaska's budget for 2009

The state budget for 2008 was $2.9 billion dollars. 

For 2009, it was $9 billion dollars.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_state_budget_of_Alaska_for_2008

Not quite a reduction...

- has the highest security clearance of all US governors

Er...  Prove it.  Near as I can tell, it's an e-rumor.  Best I can tell, she's got the same clearance as any other governor (except Blago, of course).

There was a briefing on Iraq at the White House during the campaign.  Obama, McCain, and Biden were there.  Palin didn't have the clearance.

As a matter of fact, there's speculation on the net that she's not even eligible for national security clearance, what with her intimate relationship with someone who, for years, was a member of a secessionist party.  (That'd be her husband.)

- is the commander in chief of the only national guard that is active 24/7 because of the anti-missile defense shield

And, has never, not ONCE, issued a single order.  Figurehead.

"Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?" CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Just one?"

Bounds couldn't, because Palin has never personally ordered the state guard to do anything.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/51665.html

- eliminated property taxes as mayor

But increased the sales tax.

During that time, Wasilla’s property tax rate did inch down year after year, from 2 mills to 0.5 mills.

But did taxes actually go down? That depends on how you define taxes. The overall amount of taxes collected increased by 25 percent under Palin. According to a review of Wasilla's financial reports, the amount of revenue taken in during 1996 was $6,070,806 and rose to $8,710,166 in 2002. That’s a 43 percent increase (25 percent when adjusted for inflation).

So how is it possible to lower the property tax rate but take in more in taxes? The simple answer is sales tax. The sales tax is overwhelmingly the chief source of revenue in Wasilla.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/770/

Per that article, property taxes weren't actually eliminated until Keller took office. 

Don't forget the multi-million dollar debt she left behind as mayor, too...

- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska

Sharing the wealth?  Socialism?  Interesting.

Of course, pointing that out the day I had to fill my tank reminds me where that money came from.  MY pocket, and the pocket of everyone in the "lower 48" that Alaskans seem to despise.  Not winning any points, there.

- visited US troops in Kuwait before she was a VP candidate, not a photo-op like Obama

Palin never even got a passport until July of 2007, a month before she was announced as a candidate...  And, of course, by that time, she'd likely been selected, just not announced, yet.  (Or do you think McCain just woke up and said, "Yeah, Sarah!" one morning in August?  Or, maybe they really didn't start vetting her until the day before the announcement...)

Ms. Palin appears to have traveled very little outside the United States. In July 2007, she had to get a passport before she visited members of the Alaska National Guard stationed in Kuwait, according to her deputy communications director, Sharon Leighow. She also visited wounded troops in Germany during that trip.

And, you're going to tell me that wasn't a photo op??

http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-kuwait-gallery/

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/military_photos_200808311446.aspx

- she is "tech-savvy" and uses technology for improving government services in alaska

Let's see... 

http://www.govtech.com/gt/402325

That seems to support your statement, she DID push for:

he Work Ready/College Ready program allows students and adult job-seekers to gauge their readiness for work, college and occupational training, and to improve the basic skills valued by employers and educators. The Alaska Departments of Education and Early Development, and Labor and Workforce Development are program sponsors.

However:

That's when I found what could be one reason behind Palin's sparse track record on technology issues: Alaska ranks 44th in the union for fostering technology.

The Milken Institute's 2008 State Technology and Science Index used 77 indicators to judge how all 50 states rank in terms of technology. The indicators fall into five main categories: human capital investment, research and development funding, risk capital and entrepreneurial infrastructure, technology and science work force, and technology concentration and dynamism.

With Alaska ranking near rock bottom of the list, I won't expect much in terms of technology initiatives or ideas from Palin. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/09/palins_home_sta.html

So... a little improvement, anyway, but still WAY down in the rankings.

- she is reforming state-health care

How so?  Source?

This article describes her efforts:

an aggressive, uncompromising and, to date, unsuccessful push to promote competition -- an effort consistent with her free-market ideals, but also welcomed by the medical groups that helped finance her 2006 campaign and an industry lobbyist who served as a top political adviser.

...

Palin was part practical politician, accepting more than $34,000 from medical groups that were trying to spur competition, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Campaign Money Watch. She also worked closely with Paul Fuhs, an Anchorage lobbyist who was helping imaging firms battle hospitals over control of a lucrative trade.

So, she was pretty well paid to take the stance she did, and doesn't seem to have gotten far.

"It would seem like increasing competition would reduce costs, but that's not what's happening," said John A. Hurson, a former president of the National Conference of State Legislatures and a health policy expert. "The demand just meets the supply. There's more advertising. It just generates more costs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403253.html

- gave equal rights to same-sex couples who are state employees

No, not as such.

the bill she vetoed in December 2006 was a response to a 2005 Alaska Supreme Court ruling that the state's policy of denying spousal benefits to same-sex partners of public employees violated the Alaska Constitution. The bill would have prohibited state officials from granting such benefits despite a 2006 state Supreme Court order requiring them to issue regulations granting benefits pursuant to the 2005 decision by January 1, 2007. Further, the AP did not note that Palin stated that she vetoed the bill because the Alaska attorney general had advised her that it was unconstitutional, not because she believed same-sex partners of public employees should receive benefits. Indeed, Palin's office stated in its veto message: "The Governor's veto does not signal any change or modification to her disagreement with the action and order by the Alaska Supreme Court." Further, the AP did not note that as a candidate for governor, Palin also reportedly supported a ballot question banning benefits for same-sex couples.

Her direct quote:

"The Department of Law advised me that this bill, HB4001, is unconstitutional given the recent Court order of December 19th, mandating same-sex benefits. With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office. ... In the Department of Law opinion passed along to the Governor, Attorney General Talis Colberg writes, 'the bill ... effectively eliminated the regulatory process as a way to comply with the Court's order to provide same-sex domestic partner benefits for state employees and members of state retirement systems.'"

and

"The Supreme Court has ordered adoption of the regulations by the State of Alaska to begin providing benefits January 1," said Governor Palin. "We have no more judicial options. We may disagree with the rationale behind the ruling, but our responsibility is to proceed forward with the law and follow the Constitution."

[...]

"I disagree with the recent court decision because I feel as though Alaskans spoke on this issue with its overwhelming support for a Constitutional Amendment in 1998 which defined marriage as between a man and woman. But the Supreme Court has spoken and the state will abide."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808290025

- gave birth to a baby who she knew had down's syndrome and called it a "priviledge"

And this has what to do with the office of President or Vice-President of the United States?  Irrelevant, unless you want me to give my opinion on any mother of a special needs child who'd drag that child all over the country.

AND she negotiated with Canada to deliver Alaska's natural gas to the United States as well as oversees the ongoing treaty with Russia about overflights of Russian aircraft into US airspace.

Let's see...

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who touts her state's proximity to Russia as part of her foreign policy experience, has not met with Russian leaders or delegations, negotiated any Russian issues or visited the country, according to an Associated Press review of records from the governor's office.

and

But Steve Smirnoff, the Russian Federation's honorary consul in Anchorage, said Palin never accepted his invitation to open a dialogue with Alaska's neighbor.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/542833.html

Per the Alaska Daily News article, she had eleven meetings with Canadians, almost all about the Pipeline to Nowhere that's never actually developed (though she's spent millions on it already).

The principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor, a natural-gas pipeline project backed by $500 million in state tax money, might never be built unless Canadian authorities can strike a deal with some of the country's angry Indian tribes. Approximately half of the proposed pipeline would run through Canada; native tribes who live along its route complain they haven't been consulted about it and are threatening to sue unless they are compensated. Representatives of the canadian tribes, known as First Nations, say Palin and other pipeline proponents are treating them with disrespect. The tribes' lawyers warn that the courts are on their side and say the Indians have the power to delay the pipeline for years—or even kill it entirely by filing endless lawsuits.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160088

So, try again.

Please do.  Any real accomplishments, with links to credible news sources?  Heck, I'll even take links to incredible sources, I'm actually learning to enjoy digging deeper into those.

Capt

Jesus was a Community Organizer-Pilot was a Governor

-Susan Serandon (where I first heard it)

It amazes me that there are people like our Jonny here still trying to sell the country on SP.  The election is over, she lost. Big time. Get over it.

Hi Rainkiss,

Thank you very much for taking the time to address those points and back them up with sources I can also review. I really appreciate the work you put in.

I find it hard to believe any person who doesn't support their "facts" with sources.

Same here, Meso, which is why I tend to do the research on their points.  I figure sharing will save someone else the digging, if they're rushed, or at least give them a place to start if they're so inclined.  Undocumented "facts," I find, are often not much more than internet "urban legends," regurgitated party line comments, our outright exaggerations.

Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor.  ?!?

That is the silliest thing the democrat party came up with.  First of all, Pilate washed his hands of it, and the Jews called for Jesus's crucifixion.  Second of all, doesn't seem that Pilate-Palin did any crucifixing of Obama.  Third of all, you cannot compare Obama to Christ.  I'm sorry, you just can't. 

Holy cow, just looked back at 8.5, I didn't realize how long it was.  My apologies to anyone that might inconvenience, I was on a roll.

So the Governor of Colorado has less security clearance? He has NORAD in his back yard? Johnny that makes no sense.

Most of the Rainkiss stuff gives normal folk good reason to support the lady. She is not nor has she ever been a whore, by the way, and only desperate folk would step outside of themselves to say such rot. Isn't civility a rule of this system?

Tom,

If anything I've posted suggests that anyone support Palin for office, either I miswrote, or I was seriously misunderstood.  It's my own belief that she's not only unqualified to hold federal office, but should be impeached if not arrested for the abuses of power that she's committed to date in Alaska as governor.

Just to be clear.

Randy,

conservative are NOT portrayed poorly in the media. Conservatives ARE poor in intellect.

    Conservatives need to make it known just what conservative means anymore. It certainly does not mean smaller government and balanced budgets just to name a couple of things. I spoke to a family member who is way up in the food chain of a major network that feeds most of the news outlets that Conservatives bemoan. I asked her if there was Liberal bias so to speak or conservative bias. She told me there is neither. They try to walk the straight and narrow and balance the news as best they can because both conservative and liberals are their customers. They report the news as they see it.Of course Conservatives who are used to Fox news are frightened at the truth when they wander away from their little world at Fox but I guess that is natural.

     Wake up its the message you are emulating not the messenger.

It's all good...when extremists like Obama and the two-headed idiot (Pelosi & Reid) get through reducing the nation to rubble,  we'll know where the truth lies. If the lib on lib fiasco of Burris and Leon Panetta are an indication of what's to come, the conservatives will be able to put Bush back in office in 2012.  I'm just sitting back and enjoying the sitcom.

LOL- Amir, check your grammar before spouting off about intellect.

through reducing the nation to rubble

There's nothing left but rubble at the moment.

check your grammar before spouting off about intellect

Ditto.

troyt - The delusion you are believing is the typical 'talk radio' garbage that sells advertising and knows that their listeners are fringe neo-cons who still consider GW Bush a hero and a great President. Say what you will, we live in a FREE country. Just don't expect the great majority to believe your twist on history.

Troy, Before you spout off about intellect you need to read the law. Bush doesn't have a chance in 2012. Thank GOD the country has term limits on the presidency. Two terms and you're out. To borrow a quote from a great american, "Free at last, Free at last, thank GOD almighty we're free at last", of the 'Shrub' George W. Bush.

Democrats like Pelosi and Reid are going to be running this country with obama as a rubber stamp.. 1 Trillion in bailout coming soon to a taxpayer near you.  I do not want to pay for anyone elses health care, I don't want to pay anymore welfare to people who breed like rabbits and have been doing it for generations. I don't want to pay anymore for the failed Public Education System. it is broken and needs to be abolished and revamped.  People need to take responsibility for their actions and stop crying to the government to take care of them.

Randy -

Well said. It has gotten so bad that people don't even know what fair reporting is anymore - people don't understand how biased almost every news report is. Everything from Google to Youtube to television, movies, newspapers, 90% of the professors in the country and on and on are liberals - many of them self-defined.

Amir.

Conservatives are poor in intellect?  Those who believe that government can break economic cycles by stimulus packages and bailouts are poor in intellect.  Last time I checked there were no real conservatives on that train.

no, conservatives ARE poor in intellect.  At least the people in America who portray themselves as conservatives are.  Look at the people here who are telling us how wonderful Palin is--can't spell, have no real facts, denigrate people who have education, thinks everyone who disagrees with them is an "elitist".  And Palin herself, who brings up the issue of "class".  Well, yeah Sarah...some people don't like you because you have none.  Alledgedly she has a college degree in broadcast journalism, but she can't string together a coherant sentence extemporaneously if you offered her $20 to do so. 

It makes me laugh when I read the sorts of things that so-called conservatives spout off about.  The media are unfair and biased--well I guess that makes Rupert Murdoch a card-carrying commie then, since hmmm...last time I checked, Fox News channel was a media outlet.  And how funny it is that the execs of the other major networks tend to be Republicans.  But their news departments are akin to Pravda. 

And why do Republicans whine about how unfair newspapers are, but you never see any of them putting thier money where their big mouths are and starting their own right wing newspapers...???

Yes, I am afraid of Sarah Palin--afraid she or one of her white trash children will breed again.  Afraid that someone will take her seriously, afraid that she will be weaned off the Prozac again in 4 years when someone convinces her that the country needs her (we won't). 

Troy Obama is a Centrist. The media has stated that he is not going to be a leftwing nut.

Wolf kill? Ask your friendly Democratic food producers about wolf kill!

Scrooge,

You blame the media. So, tell me, how can a woman at age 49, become pregnant and have a baby? Most women that age are going through menapause. No chance of pregnancy.

Scrooge2: please provide ANY examples of false rumours Olbermann has spread about Palin.

Your sourcing needs to be more than "I saw on the Drudge report", too.

I believe, Scrooge, that you are lying.

Amir,

What part of the world do you live in?  There are plenty of women who give birth in their 4o's and 50's.  Oh, you can only read gossip magazines.

amir - uh.. she is 44.  the real question is why you liberals feel it is so necessary to spread lies and rumous about her children?  you liberals stoop to levels that are unprecedented.  you're obviously too young or have dementia to remember how the clinton's and obama made HUGE demands that the press leave chelsea and the obama girls alone. 

herr oberstummfuhrer keith ubermann and his little boy dog rachel maddCOW have brainwashed you into this hate. 

Both Obama and Palin have very little experience to run this country yet we had to choose between to evils.  With 300 million Americans couldn't we have found better candidates then the ones both parties supported?  The media coverage of the candidates was pathetic.  They did not press the candidates for details of their respective plans nor did they challenge them on their responses but merely tried to "interpet" what they thought the candidates meant.  If the candidate is not clear when asked a question then the media should ask them the question again.  The candidates are green.  They may have lofty ideals but they have not been tested.

For example, Obama stated that his stimulus package will create 2.5 million jobs.  Humm, not based on the current plan being tossed around.  Obama said that his stimulus plan must be passed now our the country will not recover quickly.  Ummm, the fed has already pumped billions into the market and credit remains tight.  Another, Trillion dollars will not pull the economy out of recession by the third quarter of 2009 as some of his economic advisors have postulated.  Look at the money supply.  Despite the feds actions and the new proposed stimulus package which the market has already assumed in its pricing, credit remains constricted.  This is a global crisis not an American crisis anymore.  It will take a concerted effort by the G7 to turn things around.  Deflation, not inflation is the watch word of the day yet he preaches that his stimulus plan is the panecea for our economic ills.  It is not.  A stimulus plan is needed but we should not fall into the trap of believing it is the cure and neither shouild Obama.  Obama will be sworn in shortly as our President and I wish him all the best.

Not Olberman the darling of daytime talk tv on that mega power MSNBC.. Him and that lesbian Maddow are the 1 and 2 punch of daytime talk TV.. They are pushing the envelope ratings through the roof..Amir maybe in Arabia women cant have babies past 40 but here in the educated world it is possible.

amir,

So, tell me, how can a woman at age 49, become pregnant and have a baby? Most women that age are going through menapause. No chance of pregnancy.

While most women are going through menopause not all, but it is still possible for a woman to get pregnant, however the older a woman gets the more likely that the baby will have defects and the more complications she can have during her pregnancy.

Some of you here claim, in your own writings, to be the keepers of all things Christian and good.  You stand on these strong, yet undefined, values of your belief and tell us why Palin has been maligned by the recent events in our country.  You tell us, no lecture us, no spew hatred all over us, in your so called defense of Gov. Palin.

On the one hand you tell us what a remarkable woman she is, and why we are terrible people for doubting her, while with the other, spew demented hatred on somebody like Rachael Maddow.  What has she ever done to you, to warrant such hatred and sophomoric demonizing?  There is nothing civil, or Christian, in your slurs.  In short, you and your inept party are unfit to lead anything, when such hatred and unchristian outlook is central to your plank.

Structurally, it is exactly the same pattern Gov. Palin uses; calling for sympathy on the one hand, while spewing hatred on Caroline Kennedy with the other.  A true representative of women would never call down the thunder on another woman like that.  Period.  It's why many of us think she is a pathetic representative.  She doesn't care who she steps on, and apparently, never considers the consequences of her ambitions.  I don't expect you to see this, given your declared bias.

So, without question there is a cognitive pattern of thought in both Palin's words and many of her defenders here.  What is this commonality we see?  It’s such an imbalance.  How can you as self-respecting adults demand something from us, that you are unprepared or unwilling to extend yourselves?  The GOP always operates with a net deficit in humanity.  We give, you take.  No deal, no more.

So frankly, until you, the blind seekers of power, learn that you MUST represent all of us, irrespective of what inane political party we associate with, you can simply go @#$% yourselves.  Your vile, vindictive hatred, greed, lack of restraint or limitation, and self promotion have almost destroyed a once great country built up over many generations by men and women of all races, classes and party affiliations.  Just by believing that only the GOP has done good work in this country, proves beyond all doubt what incredible idiots and charlatans you are.

You have no need to fear Obama, as your "gift of destruction" is already upon us.  Thanks alot for THAT ONE!

And on yes, by the way:  "Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.  It's already overcrowded, from your dirty little war.  Jesus don't like killing, no matter what the reason for.  Sweet songs never last too long, on broken radios." 

what I don't understand is why all of you people insist on attacking Rachel Maddow through her sexuality. That must be all that you can find wrong with her. Ms. Maddow is an intelligent, though-provoking woman. Her sexuality has nothing to do with anything on her show. I haven't heard her say that she doesn't like Palin because she isn't "hot for me" or anything like that. So, please leave the personal attacks out. If you have a problem with something someone says, attack that, not the person....As for Keith Olbermann, you would be hard pressed to find someone as intelligent as him. He has a wonderful vocabulary (that he actually uses). The problem with all of you is that you cannot stand to see someone who can make an intelligent and well-articulated argument. You have all been listening to people like Rush Limbaugh for far too long. 

Joe-- why does it matter that Rachel Maddow is a lesbian?

Justmebub - Amen. and well said.

what a useless comment.  no facts. no supporting statements.  commenting on makeup?  i guess you want her to pierce her lip and tongue, get a few tatoos, and look like a liberal slut like madonna???  you want goth, go to a club.  that doesn't belong in the white house.

That's the liberal "real world". They're just mad because she didn't abort her special -needs child. Liberals would fill potholes in the road with aborted fetuses. That's their whole mantra.

awwww, Troy: such LOVE from you - you really are a cutie...

If you only knew....

You hit it on the head Troy they were mad she did not abort her son.. She was exaclty the type of woman the NOW Gang has been clamering for, for 20 yrs now.. They get one and she did not have an abortion and she dared to tell people to pull yourself up by your bootstraps instead of sucking at the government tit.. Now obama is willing to bring the tit to you..

Actually, it's comedy -  laughing at the hypocrisy that republicans everywhere were all so proud she  made the CHOICE to have the baby, when your ideology does not ALLOW you a choice.

Joe-295829, millions of women give birth to special needs babies every day, Democrats and Republicans, not just Palin.  She is not at all special in any way when it comes to this.  By the way, it is amazing that you can lump together any body with a liberal view and call us baby killers.

You mean Palin wasn't the first woman to have a special needs child? Gasp! lol. I bet she was the first one to wave the poor kid around like a trophy when she needed a cause to get some actual good press.

ShrubLuv,

You mean Palin wasn't the first woman to have a special needs child? Gasp! lol. I bet she was the first one to wave the poor kid around like a trophy when she needed a cause to get some actual good press.

I was commenting on the fact that she is not the only woman to give birth to special needs child instead of aborting it.  She is not special in that respect as she and so many people seem to think.

joe, jonny, rock, and troy, such anger! And bringing up things that no one else is even addressing. Labeling everyone who doesn't always agree with you as some kind of horrible monster just doesn't make sense. I'm sure not everyone here agrees with everyone else 100% of the time. But it's okay, it's who we are, Americans, all of us!!    

Indeed Carol.

However if you disagree with the far right, to them you're a murderer, a hippy, a commie, a terrorist sympathizer, anti-American - in fact not even a REAL American - the list goes on. They love their name calling, filthy imagery when describing us(filling potholes with aborted fetuses? classy!) and false patriotism.

Of course what they end up promoting is their belief that we should all conform to their point of view, or be labelled a traitor.

In other words: they promote fascism.

You're right. If they'd have a conversation instead of wanting a conversion, they might be surprised what they could take from that exchange. But the ranting and raving won't get it done.

cinesimon

If the "Your guy/gal is worse" and "So's yer old man" retorts were purged from this forum, and the ad hominem attacks were tossed, even by the moderator, the forum would be succint, short and even useful. Now it is merely the internet's funnies

tom343 - some of us like to voice our opinion without being told we're the antichrist by somebody claiming to be a 'true American', or a 'true conservative'.

There are many conservatives quite able to have an intelligent discussion without using faux-patriotism, hurling filthy, highly offensive abuse, and generally attacking the person they disagree with.

It's called having an adult conversation.

I got an email from newsvine telling me my post had been undeleated by them as they did not find it offensive.. Seems that the leftist running this forum decided he could stifle ideas and words. I think I will have them look into all the other comments he has blockedor shut down. I guess it is how the left deals with points of view they dont like or disagrees with their point of view. Welcome to the next 4 yrs.

Lack of kowledge and facts? No. We've seen the woman, heard the woman and now know what she is (in)capable of. Res ipsa loquitur!

Amen Rock...puppets.

jonny, the burden of proof was on Palin, and she failed. I am a conservative, but the GOP left me. She was the final straw. Time to get constructive, not destructive if you want your guys back in power. Me, I'm heading for the middle since there's no real conservatives in power anymore.

See, here's the biggest problem I have with Sarah Palin and her campaign.  I work in Payroll and Human Resources.  If somebody has to lie on their resume, I have to believe that they're NOT QUALIFIED for the job.  Padding your resume is lying.  McCain and Palin deliberately inflated what weak qualifications she might have had to make it look like she was qualified for the job, which tells me she's not.

It's pretty simple.  Claiming "Oh, she's commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard, that makes her qualified" when it's a matter of public record that she's never, once given the Alaska National Guard a single order, is inflating her resume.  It's lying, and the United States not only deserves but NEEDS leaders who won't lie to them.

Wow, now Beca is the epitamy of intellect flowing freely. (LOL)

"Good luck alaska- maybe next election you can get yourselves a real politician."

So profound!

Or at least a govenor that wants to govern Alaska and not the nation!

Maybe if you read your own analysis on reporters you would realize that they do their job and report  the facts instead of listening to remarks that you write.  I am glad they do so I don't have to be concerned about your lack of intelligence.

Wow Sandy - LOVE your sources for your FACTS.

90% approival? CHECK AGAIN!

It was never ever 90, and once she began giving interviews, it dropped way below the 80% she actually had.

By the way: all Alaska governors are highly popular - ho about you take your own advice, and DO SOME RESEARCH - you're all over the place!

Entertaining though.

Fact four, you're dreaming...

Sarah Palin has left a nasty snail trail everywhere in her political life, wasilla is still being sued over her botched arena, they are in debt up to their eyeballs, The "No pork" BS is exactly that as she has earmark reuests in the senate right now for over 300 million dollars.

Can you name any lie hat the press has told? I'll be waiting......

"I wish Sarah would have won at least she would have gone after the people who robbed the USA out of a trillion "

No, she would not, because they are the same people that donated to McCain/ Palin campaign...with the exception of the CEO from WaMu, all the other CEO's were Republican and heavy donors to the party. Nice try....

"Sarah has been a mayor and a governor while Obama has been a Senator for a very short time"

Sarah was a mayor of a town of less han 7000 prople and a Governor of a state with less than 1 million people, she has very high unemployment, a huge rate of alcoholism, spouse abuse, and drugs. And she will not make it to a second term, and her own legislature is still investigating her corruption....

Obama's State senatorial time already has more people than the state of Alaska.

sandyshores, you said, and I quote,  "I wish Sarah would have won ".  Well guess what, she didn't win because she never ran, it was John McRude's name that was on the ballot, not moose kissing, oops, I meant to say killing, Sarah's.  I just wish she would go away and do whatever it is she does in Wasilla.

     I voted against McCain who I thought and still do was just as unqualified as any person who has ever run for President. Palin was not an issue at all.

You must be joking right? Did you see the interview with Charlie Gibson? Why didn't the RNC want any press approach Sarah? They clearly knew what was going to happend. She couldn't name anything she read, ok, in this recent interview she hesitated for a while to actually come up with one. Like I said she says the Katie interview was sabotage when she herself said she has not seen the interview. Sarah Palin runs on negativity, to which you basically say the media does. "Obama palls around with terrorist'S" = LIE, "Somebody who sees America as imperfect enough" = LIE, this country needs criticism to improve.

 You have to understand Sarah came out of nowhere, the people wanted to know about her, her views, what she brings to the table. The people decided that she wasn't qualified to be VP. 90% likeability? Ok so now if we like someone we vote for them because of that? Do you the population in Alaska? It's 683,478 (2007 est.) Do you know the United States' population?  306,094,000 (2009 est.) Alaska's population isn't even a quater, likeability seems pretty easy to achieve when you're a hockey mom right? She was kicked around pretty hard and she failed, she could have been a heartbeat away from being President, if she couldn't handle the press (which went after her when they let her talk) you think she could have handled the preasure in the Oval Office?

Well, now that Sandy has dropped the troll bombs, it seems has also left the building....not interested in backing up these ignorant claims....Signed out

Sandy, how can you say that? Obama was a community organizer! Palin was only the governor of the largest state in the union!

Now, let's clear up some of your so-called FACTS....shall we?

proposing a 7% reduction in Alaska's budget for 2009
- has the highest security clearance of all US governors--BS she has the same clearance---none.
- is the commander in chief of the only national guard that is active 24/7 because of the anti-missile defense shield--The National Gurad does not man the Missile shield, is and always has been the US ARMY and they don't consult her on ANYTHING.
- eliminated property taxes as mayor-More BS, they still have property taxes.
- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska- Even more BS, that program has been going since the development of the pipeline.
- visited US troops in Kuwait before she was a VP candidate, not a photo-op like Obama--Again, Bullsh*it, she didn't even have a passport before she was a candidate. And she didn't go to Kuwait.
- she is "tech-savvy" and uses technology for improving government services in alaska--No, she is not, she got her own email hacked by a 16 year old remember?
- she is reforming state-health care
- gave equal rights to same-sex couples who are state employees
- gave birth to a baby who she knew had down's syndrome and called it a "priviledge"-Still remains to be seen if she actually gave birth to Trigg

AND she negotiated with Canada to deliver Alaska's natural gas to the United States as well as oversees the ongoing treaty with Russia about overflights of Russian aircraft into US airspace.---She does not negotiate federal airspace with anyone, that is done from DC and she has ZERO authority. Besides, Russia does not fly commercially in to Alaskan airspace. And if it's military aircraft, again, that is handled from DC.

Anymore wonderful facts you have there?

"Sandy, how can you say that? Obama was a community organizer! Palin was only the governor of the largest state in the union!"

Yep, and he was a state and national senator that Organized a massive ass whooping on you Republicans.

I am a recently retired Army Major, I would take exception to your comment about Gov Palin's supposed NATIONAL security duties.

While she is in the loop to a degree, she DOES NOT negotiate federal treaties..( she 'Oversees' them in a relatively powerless, 'non-decider' capacity)..you need to read the Constitution about this salient fact. And NORAD has NEVER been under the command of a state Governor, this is a FEDERAL branch authority. YOU seem to be very misinformed about this state of command and control issue.

On another issue, you need to stop with the hysterics; not everbody who disagrees with you is a 'liberal' or would 'pave the potholes with aborted fetuses' as you mentioned before.  These ranting hysterics are part of the reason why America has given the Dems and Independents the WH, HR, Senate,etc...   and Gov Palin demonstrated on the campaign trail she was not willing to take the high road and discuss IDEAS instead of spoon fed talking points, opting instead to throw 'red meat' to the base.    So much for 'The Coming Republican Majority'.

"The only reason you voted for Osama is because he said he would pay off your mortgage, and further decrease your civic responsibility. Come on, Studiobug, be honest."

Well Troy, since I both own my ranch and my business outright that would make it kind of difficult for Obama to pay it off now wouldn't it? And since I have 12 employees and soon to add 2 more I would say my civic duty was on a bit higher scale than you flipping burgers huh?

Troy, calling Obama Osama is played out, think of something new for a change.

OK, Johnny...here goes!!

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/topic/11.html

Alaska Property Taxes: Comparatively High
Alaska is one of the 37 states that collect property taxes at both the state and local levels. As in most states, local governments collect far more. Alaska's localities collected $811,688,000 in property taxes in fiscal year 2004, the latest year for which the Census Bureau has published state-by-state data. At the state level, Alaska collected $47,368,000 in property taxes during FY 2004, making its combined state/local property taxes $859,056,000. That brings its per capita collection to $1,306(ranked 12th nationally).
State property tax collections per capita by state

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-guard6

Seeking to buttress the foreign policy credentials of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Republicans have repeatedly cited the vice presidential nominee’s experience as commander of the Alaska National Guard.

As governor, Palin oversees military units whose duties include serving overseas, search-and-rescue missions across the state’s vast landscape and manning key elements of the U.S. missile defense system at Ft. Greely.

But foreign deployments of Guard units and the operation of national defense assets like the Ft. Greely missile interceptors are not the responsibility of state governors. Those functions come under the regular U.S. military chain of command.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/

You were correct, she had to get her FIRST passport in late 2006 to go to Kuwait....wow, she has a tone of foreign experience!!  I've had mine since 2000.

WASHINGTON - Sarah Palin's visit to Iraq in 2007 consisted of a brief stop at a border crossing between Iraq and Kuwait, the vice presidential candidate's campaign said yesterday, in the second official revision of her only trip outside North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
The Alaska Permanent Fund is a constitutionally established permanent fund, managed by a semi-independent corporation, established by Alaska in 1976. Shortly after the oil from Alaska’s North Slope began flowing to market
And if you are talking about the GAS Pipeline, that hasn't even happened yet so there is NO payments to the Alaskans...
Palin oversees nothing in airspace agreements, it's done with the FAA and they don't consult her they just tell her.
Any other B ullsh*it you want to spew??

Next time Johnny, come armed with a brain!

http://washingtonindependent.com/7910/palins-confused-geography

In her interview with Katie Couric, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin again points to her state’s proximity to Russia as evidence of her national security cred. She offers, “As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.”

But a glance at a globe shows how misdirected this claim is. No flight from Moscow to Washington would go anywhere near Alaska — they fly over the Atlantic. Take a look at Delta’s flight routes to Moscow. Even flights from San Francisco go over the Atlantic:

To confirm, I plugged some numbers into MapCrow. Sure enough, the transatlantic route from Washington to Moscow is just 4,857 miles. A flight from Washington to Provideniya, Siberia (the closest Russian city to Alaska) is 4,007 miles — and then it’s an additional 3,973 miles to Moscow.

So the Palin route is nearly twice as long as the logical route.

And Palin’s claim that you can see Russia from Alaska is dubious. On a clear day, you can see one sparsely populated Russian island from one sparsely populated Alaskan island

dubldoc wrote:

On another issue, you need to stop with the hysterics; not everbody who disagrees with you is a 'liberal' or would 'pave the potholes with aborted fetuses' as you mentioned before.  These ranting hysterics are part of the reason why America has given the Dems and Independents the WH, HR, Senate,etc...   and Gov Palin demonstrated on the campaign trail she was not willing to take the high road and discuss IDEAS instead of spoon fed talking points, opting instead to throw 'red meat' to the base.    So much for 'The Coming Republican Majority'.

Thank you-- that's been my point for months.

- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska- Even more BS, that program has been going since the development of the pipeline.

-------------- WRONG!  The pipeline couldn't have been developed before Sarah Palin because there was NO AGREEMENT prior to her coming into office.  She INAUGURATED the project just this past December 1 year after concluding the agreement with Canada.

The Trans Alaska Pipeline (or Alyeska Pipeline) was completed in 1977. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System

This is what opened up the North Shore of Alaska as a major oil producer and allows Alaska residents to receive a share of the oil revenues in the form of a government check each year. PALIN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

What you are talking about, I think, is a natural gas pipeline that has been proposed to run from Alaska through Canada and into the continental US. Of course, since it is a natural gas pipeline, no oil revenues from it will be shared with the residents of Alaska.

- refunded state oil revenues to the citizens of alaska- Even more BS, that program has been going since the development of the pipeline.

-------------- WRONG!  The pipeline couldn't have been developed before Sarah Palin because there was NO AGREEMENT prior to her coming into office.  She INAUGURATED the project just this past December 1 year after concluding the agreement with Canada.

Whatever that program is was in place long before Palin. My source is a co-worker who lived in Alaska long before Palin and recieved those checks

Largest State ?? What does that have to do with her experience. If I have the largest baby does that make me the best parent?

One more thing Jonny

Alaskan's pay no state income tax and in addition, in 2005  Alaska received $1.84 back for every Federal tax dollar they sent to Washington. You can look that up at taxfoundation . com. With those kind of tax numbers almost any governor would have a high approval rating.  If you are looking for redistribution of wealth, this is a pretty good example.

dubldoc

I apologize if I am wrong..are you an Academy grad? Seems like O-4 is kind of a low rank to retire from in times like these. I don't find fault with your writing skill, since I am E-5 and surely have worse writing skill, but your writing style is not like Officers I have known.

Needless to say, I also find your opinions unexpected from a career soldier.

tom343:

I'd be very interested to know what a career soldier's opinions are expected to be!

Is that a quiet way of saying you're surprised a military person is dismayed with Republican politics and behavior at present?

If so, then you're in for one hell of a surprise if you really are that unaware.

Tom, being a E-5, I am not sure how much non-regulation writing you've seen officers do.  I'm an E-9 and I've seldom seen non-regulation writing done by officers.  Most of the documents I've seen coming from officers are in the form of memos and orders, which are really regulation.

I have heard several officers, of field grade, speak like dub although he does make more sense than some of them. :)

Not everyone career NCO or Officer in the service of the United States is a conservative.  Many are Democrats and independents, in fact, I would say the majority.

Dub, Jay - off the Palin topic but I don't agree that retiring as an O4 is an oddity in any way.  My husband (retired USMC as an 04).  From flying Hueys in the Army as a young Warrant Officer in  Vietnam then having then transitioned into the Marines as a regular officer to fly A4s and ultimately, Harriers he is one of the most erudite writers I have ever encountered and I include civilians as well as enlisted folks in this assessment.  We met as fellow officers when I was a Naval officer (LT,MC,USNR) at Naval Hospital Cherry Point.  I frequently needed to write non-regulation,  non template documentation (corpsmen anecdotals).  BTW, What do the Academies have to do with being a good and even talented writer?  I totally agree that all who wear the uniform create the microcosm of society and we're as diverse as any other 'society'.  After 23 years in the active service of our country my husband, the patriot and the writer that he is, has been happily retired from active duty since 1990 and given that he was 39 when he retired (but 18 when he raised his right hand) made the BEST decision of his(our) lives.  Again, sorry about the off topic content, but couldn't let your comment re:  early retirement go unanswered.  

last of

I think  you needed to direct your comments to Tom343 and not Dub and I;  I fully agree with all your statements.  I've put in 32 and retire next month.

Jay - God Bless You!  32 years????  Wow.  I want you to enjoy each moment of your well deserved retirement!

My wife retired after 25, same service, she stays busy but I dont have any idea what I'm going to do.  I guess lay around and get fat hahahaha.

Thanks Last

project much?

"project much" ???  Everyone knows the media is biased and wants whoever they support to be elected.  No longer is opinion limited to op-eds, but it is pretty much written into most articles.  Even this article is tinged with a tone of defending journalism in general.  Its obvious that the media selected BO, we'll see if he is a worthy candidate or not.

You're not much of a reader, I take it David.

Studiusbagus,

gave birth to a baby who she knew had down's syndrome and called it a "priviledge"-Still remains to be seen if she actually gave birth to Trigg

As governor of Alaska, Sarah met with reporters all the time.  Every single one of them saw Sarah on the family way.  This issue of Trigg was first reported on some silly blog which the mainstream media put on page 1 which they later retracted.

So who do you believe, the Alaska reporters or some silly blog?

BTW, the president-elect O has not released his medical records.  What is he hiding?

Rainkiss,

Please find your "Bush Doctrine" from a CREDIBLE source.

wikipedia is NOT a credible source. ANYONE can add and remove information in that encyclopedia.   Just thought I would mention that.

And as far as the Palin thing, I do think they treated her unfairly. However, I feel that she should stop putting herself in it, if she does not like it.

They love it though - as does she.

Nothing like playing the victim to the mean and nasty liberals to help you get out of the bed in the morning - to fight injustice on behalf of the moral majority - HA!

Sure, AGarcia.  Easy.

Scroll down the wiki, there are no less than 84 sources listed, not counting over a dozen books listed.  But, here.

US Army War College website, Carslile Barracks:

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/03spring/record.pdf

White House Website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/index.html

See Sarah,

That is the reality you should see, and embrace, rather than crying tears of woulda, coulda and shoulda.

Enough said on the subject. Let's get on with our lives and solve the problems of the day that really need our attention.

After that, Dems will bribe the repubs to show the whole world what repubs stand for and build the case for the next ellection.

I am not Republican nor I am a CEO!

I work!

Thank you,   you rest my case on your intelligence.

Conservatives don't like non-whites. Conservatives declare war on them and Palin as tries to put it, "the "class" has something to do with it." Its the race not class that played a major role in the war with Iraq! Another reason, OIL!

McCain wanted to chop the spending "across the borad" with no regard for the women, children, elderly and IMMIGRANTS. 

To sum it up conservatives say, "take that oil($) from those @!$%#s"

Thank you, I rest my case on the liberals intelligence ...

Lets get a few FACTS Sandy shall we??

"All the none conservative wants it to take, take, take but never make money to back it up and keep spiraling down in debt"

FACT 1

The Treasuy and the President are the only ones that can borrow money, and BUSH has tapped us out....8 years of Republican conservative administration, 12 years of Republican Congress got us here.

FACT 2

"We want to use USA energy while the none conservative wants to buy from Arabs and south Americans our enemy."

We get most of our oil from those evil Canadians, we don't have enough oil under our soil to sustain us....get an education!

Fact 3

"it is the none conservative that runs big business out of the USA.. "

Bush signed us up for the Asian, Pacific Rim Asian, and South Asian FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS....which were anything but free, the Asians have no limits on imports while we are limited on exports.....this was obviously a concession to the Chinese of whom we owe huge amounts of money to thanks to CONSERVATIVES Borrowing.

    Show us how that happened in the last 8 years. You see if that were true and you had stuck to that premise which is milarky you would have nominated someone who followed that line in 2000-20004 and 2008.

OH right.  With liberals, history began on January 20, 2001 (the day Bush took office).

Liberals (and the country for that matter) have a short memory.  Let me remind all of you what George Bush INHERITED from Clinton:

Country was in a recession.  The internet bust started in April, 2000 and the NASDAQ lost 40% of its value by the time Bush took office.  Hundreds of thousands were being laid off. 

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict re-ignited in September 2000 and terrorism spread throughout Israel. 

The USS Cole was bombed in 2000. 

The corporate scandals began in December 2000.

And the so-called "peace dividend" of the Clinton years led to the 9/11 attacks.

As a result of 9/11, the stock market fell 25%.  Trillions were sucked out of the market.

This whole notion that history BEGAN with George Bush is the COMMON FALLACY with liberals. 

FACT-BY-FACT REPLY TO STADUISBAGUS:

FACT 1

The Treasuy and the President are the only ones that can borrow money, and BUSH has tapped us out....8 years of Republican conservative administration, 12 years of Republican Congress got us here.

----------- Read my monologue.  History did NOT begin on January 20, 2001.  You can't have it both ways.  If the 1990s were so wonderful, the Republican Congress pushed Clinton to a balanced budget.  12 years of Republican Congress gave us a BALANCED BUDGET, a SURPLUS, which allowed us to DEBT FINANCE the War on Terror.  Wars are ALWAYS financed by debt.  No war in American history was won on cash-on-hand.  Lincoln put us $2 billion in debt from 1861-1865;  Wilson spent $200 billion (1990 $) on WWI through WAR BONDS;  Roosevelt spent $5 TRILLION (today's dollars) for WWII.  So, get your facts straight straight.  Following WWII, in 1948, there were HUGE layoffs and a recession. 

FACT 2

"We want to use USA energy while the none conservative wants to buy from Arabs and south Americans our enemy."

We get most of our oil from those evil Canadians, we don't have enough oil under our soil to sustain us....get an education!

-------------- TOTALLY INACCURATE.  Alaskan and Rocky Mountain oil reserves combined can support the United States independently for 100 years.

Fact 3

"it is the none conservative that runs big business out of the USA.. "

Bush signed us up for the Asian, Pacific Rim Asian, and South Asian FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS....which were anything but free, the Asians have no limits on imports while we are limited on exports.....this was obviously a concession to the Chinese of whom we owe huge amounts of money to thanks to CONSERVATIVES Borrowing.

--------------- BILL CLINTON NEGOTIATED THAT AGREEMENT!  Bill Clinton also took campaign contributions from the Chinese.  And Barack Obama is planning to spend $2 trillion in MORE DEBT in a so-called "simulus".  Where do you think THAT money is coming from?  You guessed it - the CHINESE (along with the Saudis)

George Bush has done NOTHING different than other US administrations in the past.  The only problem you have is that a Republican happened to be in office during 9/11 and the War on Terror.

Well, guess what - NOW IT'S YOUR TURN.  You'll have NO ONE to blame.

Sarah Palin 2012!

Show your facts!!  You are lying through your tooth.

Hey tyler the newsvine man, How about suspending or dumping Sandy M for his ignorant remarks and slander or is it that you just don't like conservatives? That was MUCH worse than anything Troy said.